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Hippo Tang 8/29/08 Dear Mr. Bob
Fenner <Akila> I have an 80G Marine tank with 1 Hippo Tang, 1
Bannerfish, 3 Large Tube Worms, Bubble tip Anemone, some snails, a
microalgae colony & lots of live rocks with coral line algae. I
use 6500K 500W (4 x 125) CFL lighting. I use a 4G Canister Filter,
5W UV Sterilizer, Remora hang on Skimmer (with 2000L/H separate
power head), 2 Power heads (2000L/H), & Chiller. The tank
is running well. I do a 20% water change every month and feed my
fish and invertebrates carefully. My water parameters are Ammonia
0, Nitrite 0, and Nitrate < 20. This tank has being running well
for the past 1 year. <Ok> Hippo Tang was in QT for 2 weeks
and transferred to the main tank about 2 months ago. I have
attached some photos that shows a problem that the Hippo Tang is
having now. These spots are under his belly and on the side. When
you look at it closely it look like his skin is coming off. I am so
worried as to what will happen to my Tang. Could you please help me
identify this disease and let me know of a way to help him. Thanks
in advance for your help Best regards, Akila <Thank you for
supplying complete information and such fine photos. This mark
looks very much like a "burn"... Am almost sure it
originated with a chance/accidental mishap with your BTA... It
should heal in time of its own accord with your good care. Bob
Fenner>
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Hippo tang question, hlth., learning
8/19/08 Hi there, I purchased a juvi hippo tang last Thursday
(August 14) and he settled into my tank <... no quarantine> very
well (started swimming about the tank, meeting new tank mates within 5
minutes of introduction) <Good> The tang is very small, probably
as big as a loonie, and smaller than a Toonie. <Mmm, summat less
than a dollar coin in the U.S.:
http://www.bcpassport.com/vancouver-vital-information/canadian-money-currency.aspx >
He does have a nice stuffed belly, but he has not eaten anything since
being introduced. He has shown maybe 3 to 4 spots of ich, which it
tries to swipe off himself by dashing on the bottom or corners of the
tank every so often. <Mmm... you do realize the system is now
infested if this is a protozoan agent?> He is not in complete
distress at all, and still is active, not breathing fast and generally
looking pretty good. I am taking measures to treat the fish for the ich
(trying Aquarium Munster Protomarin coral, fingers crossed) I will have
no chance of catching that tiny fish in my display so I am resorting to
medication. <Mmmm... "reef safe"...
"effective"... Don't go together any better than licorice
and pizza... and I'm a giant fan of these last two. I don't see
where the manufacturer lists the ingredients:
http://www.aquarium-munster.com/Eng/GB_0_Home.asp Do you know what this
material really is? If so, please send along> My question is, after
how many days without food should I start to worry? <Daily> I
already am worried, but like I say, his belly is pretty fat. He tries
to peck at floating items in the tank (thinking it's food), so I
know he is trying to eat.. he just always misses out on my feedings.
When I turn the pumps off, he goes running and hides the entire feed.
With the few ich spots, and not eating, I am worried it's health
will decline at a fast rate. I have tried feeding with pumps on, but
the movement from me putting food into the tank sends my clownfish
running, so everyone follows, they all get scared so easily. <A bad
sign> I have also ordered some Kent Garlic Xtreme, <...> and
some Selcon to start soaking the foods in, in hopes it might entice him
to eat. I also ordered some seaweed algae. All these items should
arrive by Friday. I forgot to mention, I am feeding my fish with NLS
Pellets, and Mysis shrimp soaked in garlic extract (which is better?)
<Can't say> I don't want to lose the little guy, he is
the healthiest I have found a juvi hippo. Is he going to starve??
<Mmm, maybe. Are you going to read?> I really hope this guy
starts noticing my pellets and Mysis soon.... with all the extra food I
am pumping into the tank for him to eat, I am getting bits of algae
outbreaks. Thankfully my clowns are complete pigs and usually clean up
the leftovers. Thanks for reading my long post, I am terrible at
summarizing. I just basically want to know how long without food should
I start to worry, what foods I should focus on feeding (I hear the NLS
pellets are a very good source of nutrition for marine fish?)
<Yes... an excellent, very palatable source> I have been trying
to feed every day, with no luck. It's not that the fish doesn't
want to eat, it's just that he hides when I introduce food into the
tank. I figured if all the other fish would eat, he would notice and
start eating too, but no luck on that note yet. Thanks again for a
great resource.. I appreciate your time and efforts. <A few
"things" possibly going on here. "Just" being
new/stressed, to being toxified by some homeopathic remedy... You
don't mention your system components, history, or water quality
tests... Please start reading here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/paracfdgfaqs.htm and on to the linked files
above. Bob Fenner>
Tang Help! Hippo hlth. 08/18/2008 I
purchased a thriving system from someone who was moving to CA. It has
been up and running in my house now for 3mos and has still been
thriving. <<Ok>> A 7" Blue Hippo tang came with the
system when I bought it and has been a very healthy fish. I added my
2" Blue Hippo Tang who has doubled in size since adding to the
system. Yesterday I rearranged the rock work and added the following; 6
green Chromis 3 blue mushrooms 1 green clove polyp 1 Christmas tree
worm rock on Porites and 2 Bali tube worms <<All sounds
nice>> Almost immediately the large Blue Hippo started acting all
stressed out. Trying to find a new hiding place, even though I did not
change his old one, and breathing hard. I turned off the lights early
hoping to help relieve some of his stress, but he died overnight. Now
my smaller Blue Hippo is missing this morning for feeding time.
<<Such a shame the fish died. Could well be just stress of the
new additions as to why the surviving tang is in hiding, hope all is
well with it>> Was one of the above toxic to Blue Hippos? What
could have possibly happened to cause such a fast death? <<No,
nothing there is incompatible with a Paracanthurus. Did you inspect the
dead fish for outward marks, cuts, abrasions etc etc?? This would be
your first port of call upon death>> 125g reef tank All my levels
are at 0 Nitrates are less than 10 calcium is 500 temp is a steady 80
salinity is 1.023 <<Was the LFS water added to the tank with the
new purchases? any additives etc? There is usually a reason why fish
die, and starting off giving the dead fish an inspection, can usually
start to enlighten us as to what has happened. Hope this helps, A
Nixon>>
Blue hippo tang can't swim 7/29/08
Hello, <Josh> I've used your site for years, and have found
many answers to my questions, but I can't seem to find this one.
Here's my problem: I have had my blue hippo tang for 2+ years and
he has battled a few attacks of ich, but never anything serious.
<How "it" was treated may be> Recently (about 3 weeks
ago), I noticed he was swimming around with his head pointed down, and
seemed to have trouble swimming level. <Mmm, not good> I watched
him for a few days and did not notice him eating. By the time I decided
I should quarantine <Not advised here> and try to help him, I
didn't have the time (was going out of town for a week). So, I
regretfully left him in the display tank <Good> and gave him my
best wishes while I was gone. When I returned, he was laying on his
side on the bottom, but still breathing. I took him out of the tank and
put him in quarantine with Furazone green (the only antibiotic I have
available). He appeared almost paralyzed and would flop a little bit
when I touched him, but that was about it. After a couple more days, he
floated to the surface and bobbed around. He was still breathing and
aware of my presence (would flare out his dorsal fin when I hovered
over the tank). I decided there was no hope, so I took him out and was
going to put him in a baggy to freeze him (heard this was a quick way
of putting them down). But when I did, he started flopping and spit up
a baby turbo snail. <Interesting> He was showing more energy than
I had seen for a while, so I decided not all hope was lost. He still
hadn't eaten anything (probably about 3 weeks now), but I tried
again with some frozen Mysis. While I had him out of the water, I put
the Mysis in his mouth and he swallowed it. I put him back in the
water, and while holding him with my hand, I placed him in front of
more Mysis. He would suck them in, chew a little and then spit it back
out. But after several times of doing this, he actually swallowed it!
That was yesterday and I've now fed him three more times by holding
him and sticking his mouth in front of the Mysis. I've seen no
improvement (but he doesn't seem to be getting worse either). Do
you have any idea what might be the cause and solution of this problem?
<Mmm, only wild general guesses... Could be a matter or function of
long/er term nutritional deficiency of some sort, a
developmental/genetic issue, some legacy of collection/handling damage,
some residual chemical/treatment damage... Very likely not
pathogenic...> Could it be the baby turbo was stuck in his throat
and caused all this? <Mmm, possibly> But why is he floating on
the surface, unable to move? <Lack of food...> He shows no
external signs of problems. No visible parasites and color is good and
eyes are clear. He changed color (got pale) when I had him out of the
water, so he is still responding to stress, I guess. He is very buoyant
and floats to the surface quickly when I let him go. He cannot swim at
all, but sometimes get a little burst of energy and twitches. I am
hoping there is still a chance, since he is eating now. <There is
always a chance at living as long as there is life> Tank is a 450
reef tank with 48 other fish. <Ahh, then highly unlikely a
deficiency syndrome... but perhaps something to do with ingesting
Hydrozoan, Anthozoan... material> None of the other fish are showing
any signs of stress or abnormalities. Nothing has changed recently in
the tank. I've never seen any aggression towards him and he's
never been aggressive towards any other fish. He's always been shy,
but still got enough to eat to keep him healthy. Nitrates = 5 Nitrites
and ammonia are 0 Calcium = 400 Alkalinity = 8 Thanks in advance for
any help or advice, Josh <Were it me Josh, I would keep trying what
you are doing. Bob Fenner>
Tang In Trouble (Mystery Malady or???)
7/13/08 Hi, <Hey there! Scott F. in today!> I have had a
Hippo tang for about 6 weeks. Three weeks in quarantine; three weeks in
the main tank (95 gal; asst corals; several misc. fishes). <I
commend you on embracing a quarantine procedure!> Since I placed it
into the main tank, he has been mostly hiding in the live rock, with an
occasional venture outsides this protection. For the past few days, he
has been very lethargic. If finally have been able to
"capture' him and place him in a QT. He is on the verge of
death, but I would like to do whatever I can to save him. Any
suggestions? Thanks, Fred <Well, Fred, general lethargy can be the
result of many different potential issues, ranging from poor
environmental factors to disease. You'll have to do some detective
work and ask yourself some questions here. I don't have much to go
on. I'm assuming that the fish was eating well and showing no signs
of illness during the quarantine period, correct? It is not uncommon
for a fish to hide for some period of time upon introduction to his/her
new home. However, for the fish to be in such severe state of lethargy,
there must be something else going on. Is there a "bully" in
your aquarium that is harassing this fish? Are all primary
environmental parameters (temperature, specific gravity, pH, ammonia,
nitrite, nitrate) within acceptable limits? Is this the only fish in
the aquarium that is acting in such a lethargic manner? Are there any
other telltale signs of disease, such as rapid breathing,
discoloration, excessive mucus, bumps, spots, or other obvious body
traumas? Has the fish been eating with any degree of regularity? I
think that you're going to have to remove this fish for closer
observation and possible treatment, if there is a disease to treat.
Quiet conditions and stable environmental parameters in the quarantine
aquarium may help bring this fish back, but it is hard to know.
Administering a vitamin product, such as Vita Chem, into the quarantine
aquarium's water, might help perk the fish up a bit. Before you
begin bombarding the fish with drugs, it's important to know
what's going on, of course. Like I mention above, it's really
tough to diagnose this fish based on the information that you
described. I'd key in on either some illness, or obvious trauma as
a culprit. If the condition was caused by environmental factors, the
other fishes in the aquarium would have showed signs. If it is an
obvious disease, such as Ich, there likely would be other fishes
affected. In the end, you're going to have to get this fish into a
quarantine aquarium and observe him/her closely before deciding on your
next course of action. Sorry I cannot give you more specific advise,
but I hope that the questions that I asked, and the fish health
resources here on WWM, help you use deduction to determine what is
wrong with this fish. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Re: sick Hippo tang In Trouble (Part 2)
7/18/08 Hi Scott, <Hello again.> Thanks so much for your very
interested reply. <Hope it was useful for you.> Addressing your
concerns; 1. All other fish seem do be doing fine, eating well. 2.
There is no apparent 'bullying'. 3. I keep a close watch on
water quality and there is nothing out of acceptable range. 4. Ich does
not seem to be present. <All encouraging signs, to a certain
extent.> That being said, I regret to inform you that the little guy
has passed on to his next life. <I'm sorry to hear that.
It's never easy to lose an animal.> His color was not good and
he seemed to be very thin. I really think that he starved to death.
<It is entirely possible. Perhaps he was subjected to collection
trauma, such as improper handling, decompression sickness, chemicals,
etc., which resulted in his demise.> In reviewing the entire
experience, I think that I was premature in moving him from the QT tank
into the display. During the QT period, I was mostly looking for Ich
(knowing how the species is susceptible to such). He may have not
settled into eating well in the time allowed. Then the stress of
another move was more than he was able to handle. Obviously, this is
only speculation on my part. <Yes, but you might be on to something
here. Remember, the quarantine period is not just for looking for
disease- it's also for "hardening" new arrivals- waiting
for them to begin to eat and regain strength.> However, I will use
this experience and be certain that in the future any fish must be
eating well before being move into the main tank. <Excellent!>
Thanks again for your help. Peace, Fred <Sorry to hear of your loss,
Fred. However, your experience may benefit fellow hobbyists, and most
importantly, the fishes that we keep. Your Tang may have not died in
vain. Best of luck to you! Regards, Scott F.>
Sick Hippo Tang -- 07/08/08 I was told on
Reef Central to send you a picture and some info and you might be
able to tell me what is wrong with him. I woke up yesterday morning
to my tang growing a beard. Little white hair looking item's on
its body. All my water Parameters are good, and none of my other
fish are sick(2 clown's, 1 other tang, 2 Chromis) <... Your
tang has "tang"led with something... Either a Bristleworm
or such... or some other prickly critter. Not much to do here but
provide good care, and hope. Bob Fenner> |
Re: Sick Hippo Tang... lunacy --
07/08/08 Should I put him in a Quarantine tank? What are the
chances of it surviving, and contaminating other fish? <What?
Start here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/WWMAdminSubWebIndex/question_page.htm
RMF>
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Hippo tang with Velvet? - 7/2/08 Hey
guys, http://www.zaita.com/Images/Hippo01.jpg
http://www.zaita.com/Images/Hippo02.jpg <I see> I noticed
these marks on my Hippo today, she was fine yesterday. She seems to
have a scratch in front of them going up her body as well. I
thought maybe velvet, but I am thinking it's something more?
<Mmm, something different. Twere this Amyloodiniumiasis, all
your fishes would be dead> Maybe she got stuck in a rock and had
to wiggle free? It is only on 1 side of her body too. <A
possibility, but there is a much greater likelihood that this area
is resultant from a "brush" with the Cnidarian life in
your system... perhaps the Euphyllia just in view> Tank is 125g,
12months old. She was first fish introduced and is now about 15cm
in length. No new additions for the last 12 weeks. She is housed
with 2 Scopas tangs who she bosses around, a few smaller fish and a
CBB whom she ignores. She rules the tank quite happily. Her
appetite, attitude and breathing all appear to be normal. She is
fed Nori, enriched Spirulina and enriched frozen brine. She has
previously had white-spot but it was only ever 1 or 2 spots that
left after a week. Apart from that she has been a healthy blue
tang. She was looking perfectly normal yesterday too. Thanks heaps
guys, really love the site and it's an invaluable resource.
Regards, Scott. <Thank you for your kind words Scott. I would
"do" nothing extraordinary here. Very likely this area
will heal w/in a few weeks, the fish all the smarter for paying
closer attention to the "decor". Bob Fenner> |
Re: Hippo tang with Velvet? - 07/02/08 Thanks Bob, I
kept a close eye on her that night and made an amusing
observation. The scratch running her the side of her body was
also lined with bristles, very hard to see without a good light
and the fish moving slowly. I am guessing she was jabbed by a
Fireworm (Eurythoe complanata) and then as you have suggested,
must've run into a coral. <Ahh! Ouch!!!> She seems to
have healed up for the most part already, so hopefully she will
be a bit wiser in which rocks she tries to play dead against :P
Thanks, Scott. <Thank you for your further input Scott.
BobF>
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My blue tang recently got ich... no pic, data, or
reading 6/10/08 Hi, My blue tang recently got
ich, it was a very small case of ich, but ich none the less. It seemed
to get better until we noticed that after a while the white spots
started looking less like ich, and his flipper looks like it has kind
of been eaten at in places. I thought maybe it was marine velvet, but
after reading up on it I figured that wasn't it. So I thought maybe
it was fin rot, but after looking at the symptoms it doesn't sound
like fin rot either. Any ideas? <... You're not joking? Please
read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/mardisindex.htm Bob Fenner>
Trouble in Paradise, Sick/Dying Tang,
Inappropriate Stocking 6/5/08 Thanks in advance for any
information you can give me. Your website is wonderful! This is the
first time I've posted so bare with me. <Ok> I have a 30g
tank, 23 lbs live rock, 30 lbs live sand, 8 snails, 12 crabs, two
tank raised Perculas (one obviously bigger than the other but are
still duking it out), <This never really stops> 1 Chromis,
and 1 Hippo Tang. <This tank is by far too small for a
Hippo.> Water conditions are: temp 77, pH 8.2, ammonia 0,
nitrite 0, nitrate just below 5, Spg 1.021. <Would slowly raise
the SPG to a more natural level.> I cycled my tank with live
rock for 4 weeks. Added crabs and snails at a little over 2 weeks
(sand and rocks were covered in brown algae). I then added 1
Chromis at a little over 4 weeks. Added clowns and hippo tang 5
days after Chromis. <Probably too much too fast.> Everybody
was fat, happy and eating Formula 1 flakes (this is what the LFS
told me to feed). This continued for about 3.5 weeks. Last Thursday
I noticed the tang rub on the rocks and saw what looked like a
couple bubbles on "her" but they went away. I didn't
see her do it again after that. This past Sunday she wouldn't
come out of her cave and wouldn't eat, Monday the same thing.
Tuesday she came out but stayed at the surface with her nose almost
sticking out of the water and breathing kind of heavy, still
wouldn't eat (see attached photo). Last night she would swim a
little but for the most part stayed at the surface. This morning at
the bottom, belly up with "bugged out" eyes. After
reading through your website for many hours I'm thinking it was
crypt/ich. <Is common for this species.> My question is: Do I
need to do anything to the tank/other fish? <Wait and see how
badly they are infected, be prepared to treat for ich in a hospital
tank.> I went by my LFS on Wednesday and was told
"that's crazy Dory for you. just keep an eye on her."
Called them back today and was told she must have been stressed.
Asked them what I needed to do at this point because I don't
want my other fish to die and was told "I don't know just
watch and see." My neighbor also had a tang from the same
store displaying the same symptoms died two days ago. <I would
think about finding another LFS.> I'm new to this and I have
a very upset 4 year old wanting to know where Dory is and why are
the two Nemo's fighting! (also attached a picture of the
clowns) Help! Meghan <Please see here for some ideas on what is
going on and where you may be heading.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nemoproart.htm .> <Chris> |
Life is not a cartoon show. RMF
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Hippo Tang, hlth. 5/29/08 Hi WWM Crew
<Carol> I consider your web site invaluable in resolving problems
I have encountered over the years. I am so upset over the sudden loss
of my Hippo Tang and hope you can shed some light on what might have
happened. I purchased him as a 'baby' over 2 years ago and he
has grown and thrived. Yesterday when I came home from work there he
was, my pride and joy, dead on the gravel. I was stunned. He had eaten
the night before and showed no signs of any problem. I immediately
checked the water parameters and everything is fine. All of his
tankmates (1 clownfish, dwarf lion, goby) and my anemone and mushrooms
are all OK. I checked the tang for damage and could not find anything.
He did not have Ich or HLLE. I read Mr. Fenner's book about changes
in water temp, but that checked ok also (80) Any idea what might have
happened to him? Thanks, as always, for your advice. Carol <Am sorry
to read/realize your loss... there are a few sets of speculations re
these "sudden death" events root causes... One that should
receive credence is that fishes, though they seem "adult",
compared with tetrapods (the so-called higher vertebrates) are not
"genetically mature" as mammals, birds... and do often (a
relative term) perish from pre-determined coded flaws... Another
possibility here might be some sort of enhanced stress from the
presence of your anemone and mushrooms... these disparate Cnidarians
don't "like" each other, and their chemical warring does
wear on fish livestock. Some input re this last phenomenon and actions
that can be taken to alleviate it can be perused here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm Bob Fenner>
Re: Hippo Tang 05/30/08 Thank you,
Mr. Fenner, for your reply. I have been in this hobby for many years
and thought I had it down to a science... and then something like this
happens. It is very discouraging. <I do sympathize.> You should
know that the 'Conscientious Marine Aquarist' is by far and
above the best book I have read (from cover to cover) and is my bible
when I look to purchase my 'obsessions' : > <Ahh!
BobF>
Blue Tang Problems 04/05/2008 Hi All,
<<Hello, Andrew today>> I have recently been having some
trouble with a Blue Hippo Tang in my 75gal reef aquarium. It has begun
scratching on the rock work in the tank more frequently than normal,
and has numerous raised bumps on it, about the size of a pinhead, and a
few of them are white. I originally thought it was Ich, but as none of
my other tank's inhabitants (2 percula clowns, 1 coral beauty, 1
Hawkfish) have had any symptoms or odd behavior, I figured it was
something else. The tang has had this problem before, though not as
badly as lately and those bumps usually went away within a few days or
so, but this recent outbreak has lasted about 5 days now. My water
parameters are pretty good, 0 phosphate, 0 nitrite, 0 ammonia, 2.5
nitrate, pH 8.3, salinity 1.025, calcium at 450 and Alk at 8, so water
quality shouldn't be the issue. I am inclined to think it is
something fungal on the Tang, and if so, what should be used to treat
it? I have been soaking the food in Selcon and garlic alternately to
try to help out. The tang eats very well, I usually feed Formula
flakes, pellets and frozen foods, I tried to get it to eat Nori and
seaweed, but it refuses to eat anything off a veggie clip. Any advice?
<<Does not sound fungal to me, it does sound like Ich, and Ich
that has not gone away from a previous infection. I would suggest
moving the stock to QT and treat with hyposalinity and monitor all.
More can be read here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ichart2mar.htm
>> On a hopefully unrelated note, I have been having some
Cyanobacteria problems for a few months now, it will grow on the rock
and glass until I siphon it off during weekly maintenance, and then
grow right back. Skimming through some of your files here at WWM, I
read that the DOC's from frozen foods can fuel Cyano growth
<<Potentially, yes>>. I usually feed one cube a day, and
until very recently, hadn't decanted the 'juice' out of the
cubes, would that be the source of the problem? <<Quite possible,
yes. The juice from the frozen foods contain a high amount of phosphate
(even though some foods say they don't). Cyano can appear from a
few things overfeeding, too much light (lighting period), high
phosphate and nitrates, flow....One of these area's are providing
the means for the Cyano to bloom>> Thank you for all your help,
your services are invaluable. Kindly, Daniel <<Thank you for the
questions Daniel, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Is an 18g Rubbermaid container too small to
quarantine a 6" hippo tang? -02/27/07 Dear Crew, Just
wanted to get your advice on this, as I have been given wildly
divergent advice on my local forum. They all completely advise
against freshwater dips even though I've read about it many
places. <Ah, this is the "problem" with forums. You
never know who is answering your question or how
knowledgeable/experienced they are or aren't. But they're
fun anyway. :-) The freshwater dipping method is a bit
"controversial" and there are arguments on both
sides.> I am acquiring a 6" hippo from another local
hobbyist and I still debating QT/Dip methods. Thinking my 10g
quarantine tank to be too small for this fish, I went out and
bought an 18g rubber maid box to use for quarantine. I am
wondering, will this still be too small? <Even if you want to
debate the dips, it's pretty universally agreed that QT is
generally a good idea. 18g is a bit small for a 6" tang...
but it doesn't have to be a tank. You can use a rubber maid
container, just get a bigger one.> Also, I have seen many
times that Bob advises a prophylactic dip then straight into the
display to minimize stress for hippo tangs. Would this indeed be
a better method for my new fish? <Truth be told, there really
is nothing written in stone about these things. Hippo tangs are
quite prone to ich and this is an argument for quarantining them.
However, on the other hand, stress is a big "cause" of
ich. Thus, reducing stress as much as possible might help prevent
ich just as much or more as quarantining. Fans of quarantining
will say that quarantining should be done such that it
doesn't cause the fish much (if any) stress. But again, since
there's so little we actually know for sure, ultimately
there's still a lot of guess work/intuition/empiricism
involved with these things. The best we can do is make sure are
"guesses" are intelligent, well-informed ones.
Personally, I would consider the overall health of the fish when
you get it. If it looks really healthy (no discoloration, no fin
tears, vibrant, active, good appetite, etc.), you might be less
inclined to quarantine it if you think doing so would only cause
it unnecessary stress. But ultimately, the decision is simply up
to you.> As for the dip, I have the 18g quarantine
"tank" all ready to go, saltwater is aged and aerated.
If I chose to go the dip route, could I just add Methylene blue
to this tank for the dip? I was thinking that it being saltwater,
it would be less stressful for the fish. <sounds
reasonable> The only other thing I've never quite been
able to grasp with freshwater dips is the acclimation process
from the shipping bag to the dip container and then to the
display. Am I right in thinking that I make sure PH, temp and
salinity correlate between the display tank and the dip vessel
and acclimate the fish to the display tank then put it in the dip
vessel? Sorry for the dumb question, but it's something
I've never quite understood. <Not dumb questions at all.
It stands to reason that the fewer "moves" you have to
make, the better. So if you were going to do the dip, maybe you
should do it straight out of the bag, then proceed to acclimate.
On the other hand, the fish might already be so stressed in the
bag, it might be wiser to "give it a break" and
acclimate it before dipping it. Again, I would try to judge the
overall state of the fish. If it looks like it's really
stressed out, I'd wait to do the dip (do it after
acclimation). I'm sorry I can't honestly give you a
certain answer (no one really can). Personally, I'm not a big
fan of freshwater dips in general. A lot of the parasites
it's meant to kill/prevent are tough little buggers that
aren't likely to die off with just a dip. Or, rather, it
wouldn't kill off *enough* of them to justify the potential
stress it causes the fish. But again, this is MY opinion. And
there are a lot of varying opinions on this. You'll see even
here on WWM, different crew members have different opinions on
freshwater dips. And since there's simply not enough real
formal research on any of these things, anyone's educated
guess is as good as mine (or yours).> Thanks again for all
your help! Dane <De nada and good luck, Sara M.>
Re: Is 18g Rubbermaid container too small to
quarantine a 6" hippo tang?-02/27/08 Hi Sara, Thanks for
the advice. At this stage, I'm leaning more towards skipping
quarantine based on what I know of the fish. It's from a
local hobbyist who's had this fish for a year in captivity.
From the pictures it looks very healthy, although I will reserve
judgment until I actually see it. <In this situation (since
the fish is coming from another tank where it's been for a
long time, and not from a LFS), quarantining might not quite as
important as not stressing the fish.> The only fish I've
lost in the short time I've been in the hobby has been a
hippo tang that I got shipped. Died of no apparent cause (nothing
external anyway) and so, I resolved to only buy locally and
preferably from an established tank. I've included pictures
to see what you think. <Looks like a pretty healthy fish...
but as you said, I wouldn't be sure till I saw him/her in
person.> IF the fish did get ich in the display, would it
necessarily affect the other fish? <Not necessarily, no. But
it would make the other fish more vulnerable to it if they are
stressed. These infections have a lot to do with the overall
health of the fish. Generally, healthy, happy fish under minimal
to no stress don't get ich nearly as easily as a
stressed/ailing fish. And some fish are just more (or less) prone
to it naturally. If the fish does get an infection, you should
probably remove it and quarantine it just to be safe. But lets
hope that doesn't happen. :-)> Fingers crossed, <good
luck> Dane <Best, Sara M.>
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Fin Rot? HLLE? Data? -02/20/08 Hello again WWM
Crew! <Mike> I have an issue with our blue hippo tang. A
couple days ago she started swimming with her dorsal fin fully
extended and it has stayed that way ever since. <Mmmm>
We've noticed that it seems that the spines on the fin are
starting to protrude now and the fin seems to be eroding. <I
see this> I have included 2 pics of her from different angles
(sorry about the clarity but she is a fast little sucker).
<Shorter exposures if you can... 125th of a second... with
strobe/flash> I was just wondering if you might be able to
identify it and suggest care/treatment for whatever it is that is
going on? <Root cause here is very likely either
environmental, nutritional or both...> Is this something that
would repair/regenerate itself? <With good care/water quality,
and feeding, yes> I have been checking water param.s daily
(instead of my usual every other day) for the past 4-5 days and
they are all perfect. <... need data, not subjective
evaluations> She swims a ton and has been eating like a pig,
so it does not seem to be affecting her in that way.
Nevertheless, I wanted to correct this if there is something I
can do. As always, thanks again for the fantastic site, your
help, and your time. Mike P. <... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/paracdisfaqs.htm and the linked files
above... BobF>
Re: Fin Rot? HLLE? -02/20/08 Mr. Fenner,
<Mike> Thank you for the quick response. Sorry, the water
parameters are: ph 8.3, ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates reading
between 5-10, salinity 1.024 and water temp at 78 degrees.
<Mmm, these are all fine...> As far as nutrition, I have
been feeding spectrum marine pellets (1mm) in the morning, and
frozen brine shrimp and bloodworms at night. <And this is
excellent as well...> I will get to reading. Thanks again.
Mike P. <I have seen such cases as yours... permanently erect
unpaired fins, hard/fin spines poking through... in tangs, other
fishes... Most of the times/instances, these do heal of their own
accord... in weeks periods typically. Thank you for the
follow-up. BobF>
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African Yellow Belly Tang with large bump
2/14/08 We're having a bit of a problem with our African Yellow
Belly (Regal) Tang. We've had him in our tank for about 14 months
(that was well established when we added him). He's eaten like a
champ from the beginning (formula two, seaweed clips, brine and Mysis,
clam, Spirulina, garlic, a liquid supplement to soak food in, and
another frozen product that is made up of healthy "greens"
that we mix with the meaty fare). He had a bad outbreak of ich, which
we treated with a freshwater dip and No-Sick Fish, product worked
immediately, but he has developed a single large bump on his forehead,
that seemed to pop-up overnight. I thought it might be from the ich,
but it is blue (skin tone) and protrudes like a unicorn's horn,
just below his top fins. He seems to have recovered from the ich, his
color is coming back rapidly, now this! <The bump?> The water
quality is excellent, we've done several water changes and have
been very careful in monitoring our prize fish. He does seem to be more
timid than usual, I have attributed this to the ich outbreak, your
thoughts? <Perhaps the treatment... though NSF does not list
ingredients> Nitrates, Ammonia, etc. are at undetectable levels,
temp. is holding steady at 80 degrees, ph. is steady as well. Any idea
what this could be? I've browsed WWM, RC and contacted several
LFS's and still have no idea what to do. Please Help! Thanks! Kyel
<Maybe a tumorous growth of some kind, perhaps the expression of an
embedded parasite... Necropsying the bump area... sectioning, staining,
looking under a scope... is about the only means of being sure here. I
would not treat for this mass. Bob Fenner>
Sick Regal Tang 02/08/2008 Hi,
<<Hello, Andrew today>> I have a very sick looking
Regal Tang who looks like he is about to pass away. Two days ago
he stopped eating, and coming out of his hiding place in the live
rock. At times he just falls against the glass and stops moving
his fins and tail altogether. The tank is two years old and at
present houses only the Regal Tang (about 4") a Yellow tang
(about 3") and one green Chromis, several corals , snails
and hermit crabs. I am trying to restock the tank and 2 weeks ago
introduced a group of 7 Green Chromis (quarantined for 2 weeks
prior to introduction), however one by one the Chromis have
disappeared until only one (the smallest fish, but biggest bully)
is left. We managed to remove one of the bodies but the others
have not been visible in the tank, or we have seen then being
eaten by the crabs. Someone did ask if we have a mantis shrimp in
the tank which was eating the Chromis but I am pretty sure it is
just down to the bullying nature of that fish that the others
have died. <<My initial thoughts did also lean towards a
mantis hiding in there. Any clicking emanating from the
tank??>> I did a 20% water change last week, because of all
the dead bodies, and the protein skimmer is working well. All the
water measurements seem OK Nitrite 0.05, Nitrate 10, Ammonia zero
and Phosphate zero. The tank is 4 x 2 x 2. I have moved the regal
tang into quarantine but don't know how to proceed, he has no
obvious signs of any problem except complete lethargy. I have
been feeding Mysis shrimp, algae sheets and fresh algae, lobster
eggs for the Chromis and a bit of flake but he will no longer eat
anything. Is there anything I can do? <<Is the tang slow
breathing? This is usually coupled together lethargy. For the
most part, not overlit good signs. It could well be that the tang
is suffering from a parasitic disease like Amyloodinium or
Crypto, but is not yet showing the external signs of suffering.
As its now moved to quarantine, I would suggest you keep a very
close eye on the fish for any outward showing signs. continue
trying to feed its favourite feeds, provide plenty of greens,
with a touch of garlic or Selcon. Keep a good water change
routine on the qt tank. Don't get dis-heartened about it.
Also, what is the SG of the tank out of interest??>> For
his sake I would appreciate some help. Caroline Reid
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A
Nixon>>
Re: Sick Regal Tang 02/08/2008 Thank you
very much for your response Andrew <<Hello again
Caroline>> SG is 1.022, and he is breathing very very
slowly if hardly at all. Am going to pop out to LFS now for some
garlic. Is there anything I can do to control parasites (will
check the FAQ's now)? And is the Yellow tang likely to come
down with it also - there is a UV steriliser on the main tank.
<< You could raise your Sg more towards 1.025..The best
course is as in previous email. Monitor the fish for any external
changes, keep a good feed regime and water changes. And most of
all, stay positive>> No there are no clicking sounds from
the tank but with all the sounds of the water it is difficult to
hear anything else. I am currently preparing water for a 25%
water change of Q tank. Caroline <<Good Luck Caroline, hope
all turns out well. A Nixon>>
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Blue tang itching 1/23/08 Hello Crew, I have
a question about my 1 inch Blue Tang. <Small...> I have
thoroughly read your pages on fish, diseases and parasites, and I am
still not sure if my tang has ich, or if it may be stress. <Perhaps
a bit of both...> I have had the tang in the main tank for 2 weeks.
I QT him for 6 weeks before the move to the main tank. <Ah, good>
He was in the main tank for 2 days, and began rubbing his belly against
the rocks. He stopped rubbing his belly after three days, and had a few
scratches from doing this, there was no injury, and no cysts have
appeared. He seemed to be over whatever was bothering him. Three days
after he stopped the belly rub, he started a head rub, and this has
been happening for three days now, there are still no cysts to be seen
anywhere on his body. <Paracanthurus do scratch quite a lot...
naturally> He is breathing normally, eating, playing (he's
hilarious), schooling with the Chromis, and generally having a good
time, <Ahh!> he has also made a bed in one of the Sinularia. No
other fish are showing any signs of itching, rubbing, scratching or
cysts/spots. I haven't done anything to treat him yet as I wanted
another opinion on whether it is ich or not. I asked the LFS, and of
course they wanted to sell me a $50 bottle of liquid that is reef safe,
and can be dumped into the main tank - <Mmm, I would NOT do this>
they were not very happy when I told them that was one of the worst
things they could recommend as a treatment. I stopped short of telling
them to read WWW. <Please, don't feel, be so reserved> Should
I just go ahead and QT, dip etc, or wait a few more days to see if
those darn cysts appear? <I would leave all as is presently> It
is going to be a challenge to catch him since he is only an inch, and I
don't want to stress him if he doesn't have ich, and he just
stressed. Tank stats for your info are: 50gallon tank with a Fluval 305
canister filter (bio and carbon that is changed weekly), Aqua C Remora
skimmer (best purchase I ever made), powerheads to blow the water
around, T5HO lights, with live rock, aragonite substrate, 2 Sinularia,
1 BTA, cluster Duncanopsammia, cluster candy cane, cluster of
Blastomussa (all corals are very happy). 1 ocellaris (hosting in the
BTA), 1 mandarin, 1 bicolour blenny, 4 schooling blue/green Chromis,
and the tang. I know the tank is too small for the tang, he will be
moved to a bigger tank. Water parameters are within the recommended
limits (didn't list them as I have rambled on too much already).
Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated, my tank couldn't live
without you :) <Welcome! Bob Fenner>
Blue Hippo Tang Question 1/17/08 Hi Crew,
<Dane> I am new to the world of marine aquariums but have
been immersing myself in the literature this past month (including
CMA - a fantastic book.) Anyhow, I got a great deal on a complete
55g setup with everything included, the tank is cycled with all
water parameters in order. At the same time I purchased and set up
a QT, and a week ago I purchased my first fish: 2 false Perculas
and a blue hippo tang. My question pertains to this tang: When she
(I'm just using she for ease of expression as I don't want
to call her "it") first arrived she spent a lot of time
hiding which I found out was very normal. For the past week though
she's started roaming the tank a bit more, especially when she
thinks I'm not looking. She's also been eating
garlic-soaked Nori and picking at the clowns' flake food.
However, today I got home and she seemed paler than usual. I also
noticed that she appeared not have touched her Nori (it's
normally all gone from the clip by the time I get home.) She was
also very subdued. Water quality was all fine. Nevertheless I still
did my daily water change using water from the display tank. Have
just checked and water from both tanks is good: Amm: 0, Nitrite 0,
Nitrate 0, PH 8.4 (a little high I know.) <Is fine> So my
problem seems to be that she's not eating and is now swimming
around the tank a lot following her reflection. <May be a clue
here... I would darken an end panel (place a piece of paper over
the outside) to rid this reflection> Also, the paleness seems to
be an issue and her breathing is rapid. It just seems like a big
change from how she's been acting this past week. Am I being
paranoid? <Mmm, no. Just observant and cautious> I've
included a few pics I just took to see if that helps you at all.
(Just the fact I can even get near enough to the tank to photograph
her is weird - normally she'd go and hide even if I walked
past!) Thanks for your help. I've been using this site everyday
to answer questions I have and to supplement what I've gleaned
from books. It is such a valuable resource to have. Keep up the
good work!! All the best, Dane <I take it you've already
read re Paracanthurus on WWM... but please do review here re
feeding: http://wetwebmedia.com/paracfdgfaqs.htm I would expand the
food selection and try soaking in a food stimulant (e.g. Selco/n),
ahead of offering... and be patient. Bob Fenner>
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Hippo Tang with recurrent Crypt
1/16/08 Dear WWM crew, Thank you for receiving my question!
<Welcome> I have a hippo tang (have had for 18 months) who I
treated 1 year ago for Crypt. <Looks like with copper...
resultant in the obvious Neuromast destruction here (HLLE)> He
successfully had 2 weeks of copper, other fish quarantined and
display tank fallowed for 7 weeks. Despite all of this, he
intermittently 'breaks out' when stressed (change in
environment, power outage etc). Has 1 mm 'white spots' for
2 -- 3 days, then they appear to cycle off and he appears
clinically 'free'. <Mmm, yes... not atypical... Your
system is infested still> In between episodes he is lovely, with
all other fish (2 pairs of clowns and 1 mandarin) unaffected.
Display tank -- 300 litres (80 gallon), these 6 fish and various
soft corals. Sp Gr 1025, temp 26C, pH 8.2, amm, nitrates, nitrites
0. His last episode, he did not so readily recover from, actually
stopped eating (amazing as he is always ravenous), and has since
been returned to a treatment tank. He has been in copper (tested
twice daily and maintained at 0.25 ppm -- never below 0.2ppm) -- he
improved after a few days, then dramatically worsened and has
remained covered. He has had 12 days of copper. I have started
freshwater/Methylene blue dips, which I think are giving some
relief. He is slightly better than 7 days ago, but is still visibly
covered with white raised 1 mm diameter spots -- body and fins.
Some are larger -- up to 3 mm diameter, most are small. <Okay...
though the copper is killing this specimen... slowly> He is in a
60 litre (13 gallon) bare bottom treatment tank - too small for him
I know - am keeping ammonia down with 30 % water changes 2 - 3
times weekly, and occasional Chlor mon to neutralise the ammonia
(your opinion on these products in this situation??) <Can be
useful> His appetite is still great. RR is increased (approx
80/min) with open mouth. My LFS says it is not Crypt but continue
copper. <... Is very likely Cryptocaryon... Do they have a
scope?> I am concerned with prolonged exposure to copper with
this Tang, and also -- what am I dealing with? I would value your
input on this case. Continue copper? - <I would not...> how
long until I should expect a response? How often should I
freshwater dip? <These won't cure the resident
infestation...> Should I try formalin dips?- how often? <I
wouldn't> Should I skin scrape? (if so, how with a glass
slide, and what should I stain with? <H and E... or any other
acid fast...> Any good sites for protozoan ID? <None that I
know of... look for Ed Noga, "Fish Disease, Diagnosis and
Treatment"> I think scraping would be very
difficult/traumatic on my scatty hippo tang .. he is
crazy 'easily freaked out'¦). <... you could
try a quinine route of treatment... but returning the fish to the
infested system...> I have included some photos -- difficult to
capture, but they may be of help. Myself and 'Big Blue' are
extremely grateful for your advise. I often and extensively utilize
your website, and am grateful for the knowledge, experience and
wisdom found within it. Thank you, Kim Newell <The best route
(of a few) would be to cure the Paracanthurus... and place it
elsewhere... and resist placing any new fishes in the infested
system... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/parasittkfaq2.htm and the linked files
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New Regal Tang, hlth. 01/14/2008
<<Hello, Andrew here>> I work at my LFS, a few months ago
our marine tanks where wrecked by some HBH balancing blocks, yet my
idiot boss refuses to re-cycle the tanks, and even worse, still insists
on ordering new fish (and selling them while they are entering the
early stages of ich). Don't worry, one of us (me or her) will quit
soon. Anyway my question rests with a 2-3 inch regal tang (which
I've been wanting one for ages) who was ordered and placed in one
of our wrecked tanks, it sat there for days hiding and sitting
lethargically on it's side (to be expected) but it was doing it for
longer than it should have taken it to settle in (it also flashed quite
a lot, ich?). <<Sounds precarious..>> Against my better
judgment I took it home as I knew it would die a certain death at work,
it's currently sitting in my 50 litre quarantine with crushed shell
and coral + one piece of (very healthy) liverock. <<Remove the
sand and rock from the quarantine, just have a piece of PVC pipe in
there for hiding. Sand and rock can harbour parasites which will
remain, and the idea of quarantine is to keep parasite free for new
arrivals. Its also easier to clean after the quarantine process is
complete>> It seems to be improving (since I brought it home
yesterday) but the shells + LR are probably the worst things it could
possibly be flashing against. I tested the water with some tri-sulfa
<<Would stop using this>> before drip acclimatizing it,
although I know now that this probably won't help a lot. She eats
like a machine (I've been feeding her some krill/Spirulina
granules) but still scrapes and hides on it's side under the
(bridge shaped) live rock most of the time. <<Best advice is to
keep a close eye on the fish, is it showing any signs of Ich? It does
sound like Ich, however, I would not pre-empt a treatment until you can
confirm this>> The water param.s are (tested 3 days ago) :
PH:8.2, Ammo: 0, Nitrite: 0, Nitrate: 0, SG: 1.023-5 Once she is better
I plan on putting her in a 55gal with 1 royal dotty back, 2 false
Perculas, one green Chromis and a coral goby (suitable tank mates?).
<<Suitable tank mates, however unsuitable tank size, you ideally
need 120 or more gallons to house these fish. Yes, its small now, but
these do grow quite quickly in a well maintained system>> Anyway
my question is, is there else anything I can be doing (or doing better)
to ensure her good health and survival? <<You're taking the
right approach with the fish. Keep it fed well on a good staple diet,
maintain excellent water parameter and keep a very close eye out for
Ich. Hope all goes well with the Tang>> Thanks, Oscar.
<<Thanks for the questions, A Nixon>>
White patch on Blue Tang
(Paracanthurus) 11/30/07 Hello WWM crew... I
have a blue hippo tang with white patches all over it's body (I
have included pics). <I see these> This has happened on two
occasions. The fist time, it wasn't that bad, and In asking
advice from aquariacentral.com.. they suggested that the cause was
the tang not getting enough green's in it's diet. <Mmm,
maybe... not the greens per se though> I then fed it greens, and
it went away within a few days. Now, just a few weeks later, it has
happened again, except this time it is a lot worse. I again went to
AquariaCentral and they suggested that it is stress (caused by
possibly the damsel). <Possibly a component as well> I have a
very tame damsel, and it never bothers the tang, however
occasionally I will see the tang chase it around, however it has
always done that. (5 month old tank) Here is the thread on
AquariaCentral regarding my problem:
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131877 Tank
Specs: 55 Gallon, <This species, Paracanthurus, needs more room
than this...> 1 Blue Damsel, 1 Blue Hippo Tang, 1 Yellow
Watchman Goby, 1 Hi-fin Goby, 1 Banggai Cardinal, 2 Scarlet Skunk
Cleaner Shrimp, 3 Sexy Anemone Shrimp, 1 Sand Sifting Sea Star, 1
Serpent Sea Star, 1 Brittle Sea Star, <What species? If
Ophiarachna in particular, this animal could be over-stressing the
Paracanthurus by night> various crabs/snails for a clean up crew
Water parameters are all fine (0 Ammonia/0 Nitrite/ 15-20 Nitrate).
<This is borderline... too high... another source of stress...
the real "cause" here> Do you believe that it is
stress that is causing the tang to produce these white patches?
<Yes> Currently the patches are starting to fade, however I
wish to try to prevent this problem from happening again... Thank
You! -Jessica <This is a "good" email in that
you've provided most all the useful, pertinent info... A few
"things" would help here... A larger system, the addition
of a living sump (refugium), the culture of macroalgae there and
its feeding to the tang, perhaps the addition of "mud"...
This is a HUGE amount of material to introduce to you... not
knowing what you already are aware of. Please take the time to
peruse here: http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm Jotting down
notes, more specific questions re these aspects of set-up,
filtration. Oh and the survey piece on this species:
http://wetwebmedia.com/paracant.htm and the linked files above. Bob
Fenner> |
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