Goldfish with Red Fin Joints
Hello crew. I have six goldfish in a tank. 2 larger than the other four. One of the smaller ones keeps biting a larger one, but he is fine. The other one doesn't appear to be very well. He spends most of his time still at the bottom of the tank. Occasionally he comes up to the top, but struggles. He isn't eating either. A few times a day he has a mad fling around the tank, then goes to the bottom again. Today we have put him in a tank of his own. On checking him, his mouth is white and swelled and looks if he has had a stroke. One of his fins is not there but don't know if it was there in the first place. At the joints it looks rather red. Please can you help? I don't know what to do, and is it cruel, to keep letting him suffer. If I can mend him what should I do, and will his fin grow again or his mouth get better. We have had this particular fish four months. Thanks very much.
<Hi Don here. The red at the joint sounds like Bacterial Hemorrhagic Septicemia. Treat with Oxytetracycline per package instructions. Good move to put him in his own tank. Do not treat the main if those fish appear OK. This is usually caused by poor water conditions. Make sure you do frequent water changes, siphoning from the bottom to remove fish poop and uneaten food>  

Goldfish Woes
Hi my name is Lindsay and I have had my fish Jaws for almost 2 years now. He is a gold fish about 5 1/2 inches long. I had left to go on a trip and when I came back he was missing scales and his right gill is white with a black spot on it. His "cheek" area has a lump of some sort it looks like. I also have another fish named Spot I just got a few weeks ago. He is also missing scales. My third fish named Tiny looks perfect. While I was away on my trip my fourth fish Hitler died. I don't know what to do PLEASE HELP ME.
THANK YOU
LINDSAY
<Hi Lindsay, sorry to hear Hitler died, I guess. Anyway, Don here. This is a lot of Goldfish. For the remaining three fish you will need about a 29 gallon tank. Goldfish make a lot of waste and need a lot of water. I think waste built up in your tank while you were away. First thing to do is a water change. About 50% right away, and another 50% in a couple of hours. Then daily for a week or two. If you have a filter do not clean it right away. Add some aquarium salt. About one tbls for every 2 or 3 gallons of water. Mix the salt in the replacement water before adding it to the tank. Drain out the old water from the bottom with a gravel vac. Make sure you get all the fish poop and uneaten food out. Pristine water and a little salt is all most goldfish need to heal. If they do not start to look better in a week, get back to us. Include all the details of your tank. Size, type filter, feeding schedule, etc.. Good Luck>   

Goldfish Thank You
Thank you very much - I'll try the salt again.  Just wanted to let you know, David and Goliath are alone in the 10 gal and I have another 4 small (2-inch) Orandas in a larger tank (20 gal). I don't plan on putting David and Goliath
in the 20 gal but keep them in the 10 gal.  I hope to get a 55 gal before the 4 little ones grow up. Do you think that's sufficient for the time being?   Thanks so much!
Hayley
<Should be good for now. Just test your water and watch for ammonia and nitrite spikes. If they are at zero, adjust your water change schedule to keep nitrates below 20 ppm. Don>

More Goldfish Woes
Hi everyone! I have a full grown bubble eye. My other one just passed away about a week ago. Yesterday his bubble got these little blackish green circles on them (looks like bruises) and the his tail started to shred. I have heard this can be caused by old age. But my comets have been biting at his bubbles. He's gasping for air and floating at the top. I have to hand feed him so I put him in his own bowl. Is there any thing I can do?
Please respond ASAP
Thank you
Lucy
<Hi Lucy, Don here. Most eye and fin problems in Goldfish start with poor water conditions. They produce vast amounts of waste. Each fish requires at least 10 gallons of water and frequent water changes. To help the fish in the bowl, change half his water daily. Adding a little salt will help. Normally I recommend about one tbls for every two or three gallons of water. Be careful not to over do it in a small bowl. Mix the salt in the new water before adding it to the bowl. Always siphon the old water from the bottom with a gravel vac. Make sure you get all the poop and uneaten food out. Do water changes this way in both the bowl and tank. No need for salt in the tank if the comets are OK. Good luck>

Still More Goldfish Woes
Hey, I was hoping you could help me out w/ treating two of my goldfish. I work at a pet supply store and sometimes "adopt" fish that are unsaleable and are not getting better with treatment. I have two Orandas with one eye
each who are doing just fine in my main tank. I have two other Orandas (David and Goliath) who are not doing as well.  They had been together in a "sick tank" with questionable water quality (it gets forgotten); I don't know what
treatment they had been receiving at the pet store. They are now together in a 10-gal tank with a box filter.  The pH is about 6.8, the salt is now about .1 (percent? I keep forgetting to check, I test it at work), the ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate levels were in the "safe" range (I didn't write down the exact concentrations...).  The water is at 68 F; there is no heater but I have one I could put in. There is no gravel on the bottom. I use a dechlorinator and put some Stress Zyme in there.  They've been eating flake goldfish food and a color-enhancing "sinking granules" food (mostly
because it's easier for Goliath to eat).  I hadn't realize the importance of vegetables until I visited WWM - I'm going to start feeding those, too.  David is about 2 inches from mouth to caudal peduncle.  He is black.  He has
a whitish patch on one side and a smaller whitish patch on the other. He barely has a cap, and it looks fine. Oh, he also has only one eye, which I guess is why he was in the "sick tank" at the pet store. I think he developed the whitish patches secondarily (sorry I don't have a digital camera or I'd send a photo). The patches are just kind of white, semi-transparent (you can see the black scales beneath)... don't appear real stringy or fuzzy, maybe a little
slimy. Goliath was in the sick tank for swim-bladder/equilibrium problems (he came that way from the distributor).  He is about 4 in. long nose-to-caudal-peduncle, and orange. His cap is darker orange, except that in some of the crenellations it is also whitish.  Again, I think this is from being in the "sick tank" (I put it in quotes because I think it's where they put fish that are dying to wait for them to die... I think of David and Goliath's tank here as the "hospital tank" because I hope they're there to get well!). Goliath also looks a little like he has dropsy - his scales stick out, but just a little.  As far as his swim bladder goes, if he's not actively swimming, he sinks down to the bottom, but he can get up to the top if he tries real hard. When he stops trying real hard he starts to summersault nose-down then belly-up.  Mostly, though, he stays on the bottom. Beth, my girlfriend, sometimes lifts him up so he can
eat the flakes more easily (he doesn't seem to care...). I had added extra salt to the tank for a while (I think it was 5 teaspoonfuls the first night, five the next morning, five that evening, five the following morning, let it go a day, and then changed the water to get the salt back out). I didn't do it exactly like the book said because I was scared of so much salt in with my little goldfish. It seemed to make David's white patches get smaller, and maybe the ones on Goliath's head, too, but didn't do anything for Goliath's sticking-out-scales or his swim-bladder. I have some Fungus Clear (Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone, and potassium dichromate) and some Maracyn-Two (Minocycline), but of course I could go to the pet supply store or aquarium store and get something else if it's not what I need. And of course I still have some aquarium salt. I don't know what to do (all the products say they treat all sorts of things - how am I supposed to know?!?!?) and I'm always afraid to add chemicals to the tank because I know they can hurt fish if you do too much or the wrong thing.  Can you make a suggestion for possible treatment?  Thank you so much for your time.
Hayley
<Hi Hayley, Don here. Since the salt seemed to help the white patch, I'd stay with it. Along with frequent water changes. A tablespoon for every two or three gallons will not hurt a goldfish. We can even go to one tbls per gallon if we have to. Just check the pH of the source and tank before you start doing more water changes. If the two pH's are off by more than two or three tenths, go slow. Around 20% until they converge. If they read the same, do 50% at a time. pH shock will cause the white patches you are seeing. The actual reading is not as important as keeping it steady. It's a pH swing that kills the fastest. Make sure you replace the salt in the new water, at the same concentration, before adding it to the tank. This may also help the dropsy. If not you may want to try a medicated flake food. The swim bladder is more of a problem. If genetic or an injury it may be untreatable. And although I thank you for rescuing these fish, you now have four (I think) in a ten gallon. Too many. And of questionable health from the start>  

Overstocked Tank
I haven't found anything on the web that looks like the problem. One fancy goldfish has shown (for the last maybe 4 days) some brown scales (around her belly) and her mouth has a brown circle around it. She is acting very normally otherwise. I called a pet store which said it was probably an infection and told me to get some TC? and put it through the filtration system. I have no reason yet to believe this. I have a 10 gallon tank; 7 gold (mixed varieties) probably no more than 10 inches combined; 1 algae eater; new aqua clear power filter for 20-50 gal tank; & undergravel filters.
Two kids visited before this and were trying to pet the fish for about 20 minutes maybe creating stress.
<First, you are grossly overstocked. You must look at the adult size of your fish for any "inch per gallon" ratio of stocking. Most Goldfish can reach a foot. The fancies to about 8 inches. You need to either upgrade to a much larger tank, around 75 to 100 gallons, or pick your favorite two and find new homes for the others. Even two is a lot for a 10 gallon. Please do not medicate the tank. It will kill the good bacteria in your filter that are needed to process the waste the fish produce. You need to do huge water changes (up to 50%, but no more) daily until you reduce the number of fish in this 10 gallon. Siphon the water from the bottom using a gravel vac. Make sure you get all the poop and uneaten food out of the tank. You have a good power filter, but you should remove the UGF. Waste will build up under the plates and decay. Very bad for water quality. Try to siphon under it before you lift it too far. The power filter and a gravel vac are far better than a UGF. But until you reduce the bio load of this tank I fear you are in for more, and far worse problems>          
Separate question: when I put an algae disc into the water I see the goldfish really go after it (not the algae eater it was intended for). Is this a good occasional snack for them? Thanks
<Yep, no problem as long as they leave some for the algae eater. Try feeding at night. Don>   

Goldfish in Distress
Hi there. One month ago we brought home two fantail goldfish and both were doing well up until a few days ago when Ariel was resting at the bottom of the 10 gallon Eclipse EXPLORER II tank with a pump filtration system. Until last night, she would rest and then swim erratically around, spiraling and then come to rest on her side at the bottom. Her sides seem a bit distended and pointy. She was fed every other day and sometimes every day and pinch Omega One Natural Protein Formula Goldfish flakes.
Our LPS tested the water this morning and it tested fine. He thought it may be a parasite infection and told us to give 1/2 teaspoon of MELA/FIX every day for one week. It has been less then a day but I am worried about her. Is there a chance she will swim again? She's just hanging out around the intake tube. Her fins seem fine. The top one just drapes over her little body.
Any suggestions?  Thank You! Maryann in Connecticut
<Yep, a couple. Start doing large water changes to get rid of that #$*%ing MelaFix. 50% at a time. Two the first day, a few hours apart, then daily. I have read too many reports of someone using it because of a little rip in a fin only to have their fish end up unable to breath. Look for the "active ingredients". There are none. This is boiled tree bark or some other nonsense. And I have never heard of using it for a parasitic infection, if that's what your fish has. The water changes alone by be enough to get the fish back swimming. If not, look for a medicine with Metronidazole listed on it. If the fish is eating, flake food treated with Metronidazole would be best. You can get the flake online here:  http://www.guppiesplus.safeshopper.com Good luck. Don

Black Moor with Less Black
I hope you can help. We recently purchased a 10 gal tank, 3 goldfish and an algae eater. Last month the black moor began developing white bands across its body. Is this ok or is it sick? We're first timers to the fish kingdom and could use some advice.
Thanks.
<Hi, Don here. He's at least stressed. Have you been doing water changes? If not, please start. About 50% daily for a few days, then at least weekly. Goldfish are big waste producers. A ten is very small for three of them. And if your algae eater is a Pleco, it will hit a foot! You need to read up on "Cycling" and get a freshwater test kit. Any ammonia or nitrite in the water, or high nitrates, will cause the problems you are having. The water changes will help while the fish are small, but the long term solution is a larger tank or different fish>  

Floating Fungused Fish
I have a black (I think telescope eyed) fancy fan tailed goldfish that has been floating for at least 1 yr. I know that it probably has a swim-bladder problem but he now is growing a fungus that is slowly eating away his fins. I had 2 bubbled cheek fancy fan tailed goldfish a while ago that died from that same stuff (or symptoms) and I'm afraid he's not going 2 last much longer. He's about 4 yrs old and he seems happy. He eats well but I don't want him to die over night. What medications or procedures should I attempt to keep him alive. He doesn't move much and floats on his side but really struggles more than normal to make any kind of movement. PLEASE HELP ME AS FAST AS U CAN! I appreciate it very much greatly. Thank you
<The best thing for right now is a large water change, about 50%. Make sure you match temps and dechlorinate. Do them daily for a week or two. Add about 1 tbls of aquarium salt for every 2 to 3 gallons of water. Mix the same concentration (half dose for a 50% WC) in the new water before adding. Many times this is all that is needed. When the fungus is gone reduce the water changes to about once a week and stop the salt. For the floating, try feeding shelled peas and switch to a sinking food if you are using floating flake or pellets. This will not help if it is a swim bladder problem, but sometimes air in his gut is the problem. I'd give it a shot. Good luck with him. Don>  

Goldfish and Pleco Tank with Ick
We have 3 goldfish that we have had for over 3 years without a problem. But our tank seems to have a lot of algae, so we got a Pleco from the pet store. As soon as he went into the tank (after the normal adaptation process), the goldfish started acting weird. First, they all lay clumped down together on the bottom corner of the tank, hardly moving, then they all were doing tail stands, all fins pulled in. My husband did water changes, and tested the water. The nitrates were high, but that was all, so he kept doing water changes. Then, a couple days later, I noticed the ich. Tiny white spots all over. So we started treating with Ichaway. Now, on the third day of treatment, their tails are all mangled and eaten away. One had a long beautiful tail, and not its all just strings practically. What do we do?  Where did we go wrong (besides bringing the algae eater into our lives)? And how do we fix it before they all die?
Thanks so much!
<Hi Don here. I would continue with the water changes, without the Ick medicine, until nitrates are below 20ppm. Both Goldfish and Plecos are massive waste producers. And the Ick med may have killed off the bacteria needed to process that waste. This could be the cause of the fin rot. Check for ammonia and nitrite. Do water changes to keep both at zero. Add about one tbls of aquarium salt to every 2 gallons of water to kill off the Ick and help the fins grow back. Mix the same concentration in the replacement water before adding it to the tank. Watch the plec for signs of stress, Clamped fins, rapid breathing. He he's OK, increase to one tbls per gallon. These two fish need different water temperatures. The Goldfish around 70, the plec around 80. During Ick treatment, raise to around 78 and add an airstone. Keep the salt in the water for at least 3 weeks after the last spot drops. Then reduce the salt and lower the temp to around 74. that should keep everyone comfortable. BTW the  "normal adaptation process" for any new addition is 30 days in QT to prevent Ick and others from getting to the tank in the first place. Now you see why>

A Fairly Won Goldfish
Hello!  I really hope you can help.  Your site is very helpful, and I need some! I have a goldfish, common, that I won at the fair over 2 years ago. He is about 5 inches long and his tank mate is about 3 inches long. Water has been tested and is in normal parameters. Here is the problem. I noticed that "goldie" was bulging on his right side. It grew and I thought it may be dropsy so I began treating the tank with Maracyn 2, which I began about 6 days ago. In the interim, I've noticed tiny gold specs on him, and now, the bulge has pushed away his scale and looks like a bubble coming through his body! I want to begin a Coppersafe treatment, thinking he has velvet, but I'm just not sure what to do. I don't want to lose "goldie". Any suggestions? He's still bulgy, he eats fine, he looks okay otherwise, rests on the bottom of the tank when no one's in the room, weekly water changes of 30-50%, and is being fed a fairly varied diet. I'd appreciate any input you may have! Thanks so much, Karen
<First, do not mix the meds. I don't think you'll need the copper anyway. How long have you seen the gold dust? Velvet spreads very quickly. If he seems healthy for more than a few days after appearing "dusted", it may not be velvet. The bulge coming from within is more of a concern. He has some sort of internal infection. Try going to  http://fishyfarmacy.com/ and see if you can match what you see to the descriptions of the various types of infections. Start in the "body cavity" and "Skin disorders" sections. Don>  

What treatment do I use?
I got 2 fancy goldfish almost 2 weeks ago.  I am taking good care of them, already did a couple partial water changes, tested levels, etc - the problem isn't how they are being cared for now.  I got them from a not-so-good place and I know I shouldn't have, but I did, and now I realize they had some kind of disease when I got them that I didn't know about.  Ever since a few days after I got them, their scales looked funny - like patches of their scales were sort of sticking up and sometimes looked as though they were gone.  Yesterday, I woke up to see one of my fish just lying on the gravel at the bottom of the cage.  She did that pretty much all day, however, did come up to eat.  The other fish is still active, however, I notice that their scales are now looking pretty bad.  There are patches where there aren't really any scales.  I called my veterinarian and asked him to see if he could help.  He suggested putting Methylene blue into the tank and aquarium salt.  I did that late yesterday.  I followed the instructions and put 3 tbsp of salt and 1/2 tsp of Meth blue (I have a 5g tank).  I know this can kill the biological filter, but since it hasn't even been running for 2 weeks and the bacteria haven't formed yet, I thought it was ok and he had also told me to.  I also don't have another tank (yet) to do that with.  Was Methylene blue the right thing to do?
< Not really.>
I have been reading info and it seems like it only helps with a fungus type disease.  I have no idea what the disease is in this case, but I sort of feel like it's not fungus.  So should I put an antibiotic in the water or use antibiotic food?  I heard my fish can be saved at this point because she is still active enough to eat and swims around.  Oh yeah, and another thing - she sort of swims into things and just floats without swimming and then rapidly swims again for a few seconds.... and it's a cycle like that until she finally settles on the ground.  So what do I do next?? Please help!  I am already very attached to my fish and don't want to lose them.  Thank you very much.  -Jessica
< Treat the tank with Nitrofuranace or Myacin. You have a bacterial infection. Watch for ammonia spikes. Since you have no bacteria, any left over food of fish waste will quickly convert to deadly ammonia. Do a 30% water change and make the filter is clean. Organics can affect the medications effectiveness.-Chuck>

Goldfish parasites?
My 5-inch long goldfish has been having spasms. he might have parasites. how many teaspoons of salt should I add to my 5-gallon tank to treat her?
<Hello...Jorie here.  Do you see any visible signs of parasites attached to the fish? Otherwise, I wouldn't necessarily be so hasty in diagnosing parasites.  First off, how often do you do water changes? How many other fish live in this 5 gal. tank? In reality, 1 5" fish is too big for a tank this size...my hunch is that some sort of water poisoning is going on.  Do you have readings for the water's ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels? I'd suggest taking some readings immediately.  If any of those above mentioned toxins are present in any amount, you need to change the water immediately. (Actually, I'd suggest doing a 75% water change right away - it can't hurt).
With regards to salt treatment in a 5 gal. tank, 1-2 teaspoons of aquarium salt would be appropriate.  Keep in mind that salt doesn't evaporate, so unless you are doing a large water change, you don't need to add any more. And in all reality, I'm not a fan of the "teaspoon" measurements, but rather suggest you purchase an inexpensive plastic box type hydrometer...you want the salinity to be somewhere around 1.001 - 1.002.
Please consider getting a bigger tank for your fish also, as it really will only be a matter of time before she's too big to even turn around in the tank.>

Goldfish weird behaviour
Hello,
<Hi...Jorie here this Saturday morning>
This is going to sound stupid...
<...no stupid questions here...>
I have 6 fish in a big tank , I know its big enough!
<OK, not disputing that, but curious how many gallons the tank is? Everyone's view of "big enough" is quite subjective!>
Right and my comet goldfish is acting weird like it will never open its mouth, it just sucks up the food. So when I feed them all it finds it difficult to get the food.
<Hmmm, is he slower than the others? Having trouble swimming? Perhaps you could separate him in his own quarantine tank to better observe his behavior and ensure he is getting enough to eat.>
It also had red spots on it, I changed the water, and put a bit of salt in the tank. They have gone now, but the red veins on it tail haven't gone, is this bad or is it just growing??!!
<Definitely good that you did a water change.  Do you have a test kit on hand? If so, I suggest you take readings for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate, as it sounds to me as if this could be due to poor water conditions.  Do you have a regular water change schedule? On something like a 10 gal. tank full of goldfish (just guessing on the tank size), I'd suggest doing at least a 50% water change once per week, as goldies are notoriously messy fishies.  Red streaks in the tail and/or fins is definitely not a good thing - sounds like the fish has some sort of bacterial infection under its skin.  Best thing to do is 1) isolate the fish, 2) keep the water very, very clean, 3) continue using the aquarium salt and 4) if no improvement after a couple of days of pristine water conditions, treat (only in the QT tank!) with a broad spectrum antibiotic such as tetracycline.>
I got this comet from a fair in April.
<Great that you are providing a good home for him.  Do be sure to keep up with the water changes and other treatments recommended above and he should recover just fine.  Good luck.>
Thank you
Michelle
England
<You are welcome. Jorie>

Re: lopsided gold fish + behavior.
Hi, Thanks again for the info will try the shelled peas to see if that does any good. Also I have been to my local pet shop in town an have seen some fish that I like. They are little black fish about 1 inch or so, roughly half the sizes of the two fan tails that I have at present. Have been thinking of getting one to keep the other two company as the tank kind of looks bare. Also they sell these long fish called loaches and I have been told that they clean the gravel in the tank. Would this be a good investment, or could I just save up for a nice big 50 gal tank? Both the loach and the little black fish are kept in cold water tanks at the shop.
Thanks again. (I think I've got the bug)
Andy
<Hi Andy, Don again. I'm not sure what the little black fish may be, (Black Neon maybe?) but the loach is a tropical fish that would do much better in warmer water than your goldfish. They may be in cooler temps in the fish store, but should not be kept that way for life. I would wait and enjoy the fish you have. Then upgrade them to a larger home when you can. When you do get that big tank make sure you set it all up and "cycle" the tank before adding your fish. If that bug you got forces you to add a fish, look for White Clouds. Pretty, active and they like cooler temps. But your goldfish will not be lonely. It is always better to under, rather than over, stock any size tank>   

Dropsy?
Hi. I'm sorry to say but this is going to be quite a long and confusing email. I have a small ( about 4cm ) fantail goldfish, and just recently it has had some problems. I have found out that the problems it has are my own fault ( being slack in the cleaning of the tank), and I will do my best to not let this happen again, but now that it has happened, I would like to be able to fix my fish. Bree is its name and just recently I noticed that there was a small white cottony substance on the side of it. Looking through masses of websites I believe that it is a fungus, but as the fungus got a little bit bigger ( before I treated it ), the area that the fungus was on seemed to grow outwards. As if there was something inside that wanted to come out. From what I've read, this could have been some form of tuberculosis. Anyway after noticing this, I put the fish in a smaller container. its normally in a larger one with 5 other fish of different sizes, two fantails like Bree is (about 5 and 6 cm), and 3 shubunkins ( two about 9 cm and one about 13), in a 90 litre tank (is this okay?) So after putting Bree in a smaller container ( a casserole dish, hehehe ) I put in MelaFix, as the directions on the back say. The lump seemed to disappear in about 36 hrs, and the white cottony stuff  completely disappeared a couple of days later. anyway Bree wasn't eating in the smaller container, so I put it back in the larger tank with the other fish, when I noticed that it seemed fatter then before. Bree liked being back 'home' and started swimming around after a bit, and ate dinner with the rest of them that night, like normal. The next morning when I went to give them breakfast I noticed Bree was a little fatter again, and it scales where sticking up off its body. I had a fish before with the exact same symptoms, who after looking like it was getting better up and died on me. now looking through the masses of websites, my fish looks a lot similar to photos of fish with dropsy. just yesterday I noticed that it even had what looks like a small blister coming out from underneath one of its scales. now I've read a lot tonight about dropsy, and I know it has like a 96% chance of dying, but I also read a website saying to treat it with Maracyn-Two. Can you tell me if this might work, or if there is anything else that I might be able to do to help this fish??? I would really like to right this wrong, but at the moment I am so confused that I don't know what to do. Please help. Ohh by the way I'm from Australia, so if you know if there is and medications or something available here that would be great, as things don't always become available in Australia. Thanks, and sorry about the long email. If you have any questions that you need to ask feel free, and if photos will help let me know and I'll do my best to get them to you. Thanks again. Kathrine
< Do a 30% water change and make sure that you filter is clean. Treat the water with Metronidazole as per the directions on the package. Your fish has developed an internal bacterial infection from being initially stressed from the first disease.-Chuck>

Confuddeled New Owner
Hi have just I have just inherited two goldfish from my nephew. Unfortunately they were kept in a very small tank about 2 liters. So have invested in a nice bigger 15 liter, about 4 gal, with undergravel filter/air pump, stone. The fish seem happier in this tank but there is one thing that concerns me. The first think is that the smallest of the 2 seems to tilt towards 11 o'clock when it swims. <AM or PM?> It also seems to repeatedly go to the side of the tank and rush to the surface then floats back to the bottom. Is this usual or is there something wrong.
<Could be a swim bladder problem. Not treatable if genetic, hard to treat if from injury. Can be from infection. If so, try a medicated flake for bacterial infections. Could also be from gulping air as he eats. Feed sinking, rather than floating, food>  
Also I am a bit confuddled about how big my tank should be. I would like to keep more than 2 fish but am getting conflicting info with regards to tank sizes. Do I need a 50 gal tank or am I OK with 1 gal per fish. I have even read on a site that you can keep 10 goldfish in the tank that I have. It's all getting very confuddling???
<You will need a bigger tank for just the two. In a 50 you could keep these two for life. Even one or two more. But you will need better filtration than a UGF can provide. I would remove it completely and upgrade to a good power filer. Don>
Andy

Confuddeled New Owner
Hi, thanks for the info. How big is a 50 gal tank, 3ft or 6ft? And the fish that swims lopsided
mainly does this during the day.
Andy
<Hi Andy, Don again. A "standard" 55 gallon is 48"x12"x18", at least on this side of the pond. The listing goldfish may be gulping air if only swimming that way part of the time. Could also be constipation. Try feeding him a few shelled peas>

What's Wrong With My Goldfish
One day the fish bowl cracked and we found the fish on one side and all of
the water was out of the bowl and we didn't know how long he was like that.
My mother took the fish out of the bowl and put him in a new bowl of
water immediately and started petting it side to side. The fish was wobbling
from side to side. My mom kept on petting the fish and watched it for a
couple of hours and told the fish not to give up. It took the fish about a
day and a half to go back to his normal swimming and behavior. We are
worried because since then he has accumulated black spots on one side of his
body. We are concerned because we don't know if he's suffering or not. Could
you please let us know the cause of the side of his body turning black.  
Please reply ASAP thank you for taking the time to read and answer my
question.
<<Hello. The black on his side could be some bruising, along with the fact that
a bacterial infection is setting in. I recommend going to your LFS and picking
up some Melafix to add to his water, it will help. It's an herbal remedy
that I've used many times to successfully treat goldfish. Handy stuff to
keep in your fishy medicine cabinet. Another thing to keep handy is aquarium
salt, which you can use if your goldfish gets ich (little white spots on his
fins). You should do some reading on the Net about goldfish, there are many
good sites (like ours) with information necessary to caring for these pretty fish.
One thing to know for next time...try not to touch the fish's body more than
absolutely necessary, like when you pick him up off the floor. When we
touch fish, our fingers remove their slime coat, which is a layer of mucus
that keeps the germs out...by "petting" your fish, you accidentally removed
the slime coat, leaving the area open for bacteria to get in. The Melafix
should do the trick, and be sure to do regular, partial waterchanges, too.
Fish need clean water in order to recuperate well, to grow properly, and to
prevent future problems/illnesses.
-Gwen>>

Red Lionhead question
I have a red lionhead that a couple weeks ago lost a lot of its color on its
head. Then, while we were on vacation this week, when we came back, the fish
looked really bloated and the scales were sticking out, sort of like a
porcupine, of sorts. He does not seem distressed at all.   We have not had a chance to
talk to the family that fed the fish to see if they over fed it but the other
two red lionheads look fine.   Could the bloated one have a disease?
< He has bloat/dropsy. Clean the tank and the filter while doing a 30% water change. Treat the fish with Metronidazole and follow the directions on the package.-Chuck>   
Thanks for your help.
Ellen

Re: Red Lionhead question. Where to treat
Do I need to move the bloated fish to another tank away from the other two fish when applying the medicine or can I leave them all together?
Ellen
<Hi Ellen, Don here. The general rule is to remove the fish for treatment. Even if it means removing them all. But it really depends on what you are treating with. Bloating can sometimes be treated with Epsom salt and a few shelled peas, in which case you can leave them together. If you are medicating, you are risking your bio filtration. Do that in a small bare bottom QT tank, not the main>

Goldfish Bump
I recently noticed that my goldfish has a large white bump on its upper back and I'm not sure what it might be. What do you think it is and what should I do?
Thanks for you time.
Amanda
<Hi Amanda, Don here. Could be a lot of things, from a simple bruise to a protozoa infection. Even poor water conditions. Do you change his water? What size tank? Have a filter? For now I would start doing daily partial water changes and add a table spoon of aquarium salt for every two or three gallons on water. If he does not improve try a medicine with Metronidazole. Good luck>

Goldfish Bump
I found out that my fish has Ick. Is it curable?
<Sure. But first let's make sure that's the problem. In your last email you said he had a "large white bump" on his back. This is not Ick. Ick shows on a fish as tiny, salt-like spots. There may be one or dozens, but they are always tiny. If your tank has been infected with this parasite, the advice I gave before is a great start. Change the water and add salt. I would just that you should siphon the water from the bottom of the tank. Email me back the tank specs I asked for earlier. Include a clear description of what you are seeing on the fish. I want to help, but I need more info concerning these conflicting emails>  

Goldfish Bump
I took it to a pet store and they looked at it and saw other thing on it and the said its ick.
<OK. Email me back with the details of your tank. Size, type of filter, temp, other fish, water change schedule, etc.. The more details you give, the better I can advise. But in the meantime, do a 20% water change and add some salt. Don>

Goldfish in Distress
Hi, I have tried looking for an answer for what is wrong with my son's goldfish but cannot find one so hope you can help. <Will try> The goldfish is lying at the bottom of the tank basically on its side but in an arched position, hardly breathing looking dead. Every so often it just moves a bit further round the tank then seems to be dead again.
My son has only had the goldfish for a year, he has bought a filter for his basic tank (approx 15" high x 15" depth x 10" wide) partially cleans it once a week and fully changes the water once a month. The water is clear and the goldfish is fed twice a day, morning and evening. <First thoughts here are water quality. A well maintained and filtered aquarium should never have it's water fully changed. Doing so can harm the bacteria in the filter that convert ammonia (fish waste) into first nitrite, then nitrate. Any amount of ammonia or nitrite can kill. It can also cause pH shock if the your source water and tank have diverged. Just do partial water changes. This is why testing is so important>
Have tried adding first aid drops to the water but doesn't seem to have any reaction. <If the goldfish's gills have been affected by poor water quality, the drops will not help. They may even further stress both the fish and the beneficial bacteria> Have you any idea why the goldfish is like this or is the goldfish close to actually losing its will to live. <More it's ability to live, sorry to say. Try a few 50% daily water changes and add an airstone. It may help, but doubtful at this point>
Many thanks
Diane <Don>

Pop Eye in Goldfish
Hi, I bought two small red/white Orandas 3 weeks ago, they must be quite young as they're only about one inch long. In the last week I've noticed that one of them has developed protruding eyes (I'm sure it wasn't like this before). I went back to the shop where I bought them from and they told me it was a normal growing stage of the fish and sure enough one of the fish in their tank was the same. It this true as I'm concerned the fish could have pop eye? Apart from the eyes the fish seems to be absolutely fine, it eats well and swims about as madly as ever! <There are mutations of goldfish with large bubbles near the eye. Should look like a water sack. If it is the eye itself that is swelling, he does have pop eye>
Before I bought the fish I set up the tank and let it run for 3 weeks and tested the water until all the readings were fine. However, now I have the fish the Nitrite levels are 5 which I believe is too high, how do I get this reading down? I do a 20% water change once a week and add Stress Zyme to the tank once a week, what am I doing wrong? <You added the fish too soon. Cycling the tank is a two part process. First a bacteria grows that converts ammonia to nitrite. Then a second type of bacteria must grow that will convert the nitrite to nitrate. It looks like you added the fish before the nitrite consuming bacteria had a chance to grow. For now you must do massive (50+) water changes to lower that nitrite. Do two the first day, a few hours apart. Daily, or more, after that until the nitrite reads zero. This will slow the second step of cycle, but not stop it. Likely this alone will help with the pop eye. If not, add two or three tbls of Epsom salt per ten gallons. Make sure you replace the Epsom salt when you change water. Use a gravel vac to remove the water. Get all uneaten food and waste out of the tank. Pristine water is important if the eye is to be saved>
Please help, this is the first time I've looked after fish and I'd hate one to die so quickly. <No problem, thank you for being concerned. BTW, in the future please give us any tank specs. Size, filter, total fish, any water test reading, temp etc.. The more you tell us, the more we can help you. Don>
Thanks
Sharon

Injured goldfish
Hello.  My 5 year old had reached into the fish tank and grabbed the
black goldfish (don't know the name of it) and squeezed him through a
hole in the castle and it got stuck.  I got him out and his scales that
were injured  have a "white cotton" look to him and its also covering
his left eye.  Is this normal in a healing process?
< No it is a fungal infection that feeds on injured tissue.>
  He is eating but
cannot make it to the top of the tank.  He eats off the bottom.  He does
swim around very slowly and he looks like he is breathing hard and
slow.  It has been 3 days.  I have put some salt in the tank (10 gallon)
and added some water conditioner.  Is there any other thing that I
should do or just let nature run its course?
< Do a 30% water change and service the filter. Remove the carbon and treat with Metronidazole. Use a water conditioner that adds a protective coat to the fish. A tablespoon of rock salt per ten gallons of water will make the goldfish secrete his own protective coating.-Chuck>
Thank You.  Theresa

Re: Injured goldfish
Hello Chuck,
I went to the store and the guy gave me Melafix.  I have been putting 1
tsp. in everyday.  This fish is amazing.  He is swimming around and he
goes to the top of the tank now.  I have not seen him lay on the bottom
of the tank for about 2 days.  Although he is very sick looking.  His
scales that had the white cotton look to them have come completely off.  
It peeled off .  The only white cotton that he has left is on his left
eye.  Will he lose vision in that eye?
< If the fungus is not cured it may start to affect his eye.>
He's definitely a little
fighter.  My next question is will this Melafix hurt the remaining 4
gold fish in the tank.  They all stay huddled together.  It's like they
know that this fish has this fungus and they stay away from him.  Thank
You for everything.  I am learning something new from you.  Thanks!
Theresa
P.S.  You said in the other email to buy the Nitrofurazone instead of
Metronidazole.  Is this correct stuff that I bought?
< No But it seems to be working. Nitrofurazone is an antibiotic that works well as an antifungicide too. The Melafix is a bacterial/fungal inhibitor that is derived from a Melaleuca tree in Australia. It is being recommended all over the place with somewhat mixed results. It will not hurt the fish but I would discontinue its use after the fish have been cured. This way the bacteria won't build up a resistance to it.-Chuck>

Goldfish question
Hello
<Hi...I'm Jorie...>
Our family has just recently entered into the fish world.
<Congratulations and welcome!>
We started with a very small tank and one goldfish.  Now we have a five gallon tank, three goldfish, 1 betta, and 2 very small really shiny fish.
<Not all in one tank, I hope? Bettas are tropical fish, whereas goldies are cold water.  Don't know for sure what the other two fish are, but perhaps they are white cloud tetras, or silver dollars? Check out some internet sites and see if you can make an ID on sight...if not, call the pet store where they came from to find out what they are.  Chances are they are tropical as well.> We've had the 5 gallon tank less than a week.
<Are you familiar with the term "cycling", as it pertains to a fish tank? It's a way for the water to establish a beneficial bacteria colony, which in turn allows some of the fish waste to be "used", rather than immediately turning into ammonia (highly toxic to fish).  Did you allow this new tank to cycle? If not, you most likely have a build up of ammonia, nitrite and/or nitrate, allow which are poisonous to fish.  You can purchase a simple test kit to check these levels if you don't already have one; in the meantime, I suggest doing a 50% water change as soon as possible, and maybe do another 25% one tomorrow.>
The three goldfish have taken to hanging out together at the bottom of the tank where they almost seem to be sleeping.  I have noticed tiny white spots on their fins....ick I'm guessing from the reading I've been doing.
<Sure sounds like ich to me.>
I did a 25% water change today.
<Great...probably you should another tonight, if possible, and another again tomorrow.>
It seemed at first only one of the goldfish had the spots and now I believe at least two do.  They seem to be mainly concentrated on the fins.  Is it best to treat the ick with just water changes or do I need to medicate too?
<Water changes are definitely crucial in combating ich.  Keep them up regularly (e.g., 25% each day).  With regards to treating ich, there are many schools of thought.  You can medicate, or you can use other measures, such as increasing the level of salt in the water or adding heat (probably not the best course for cold water goldies). Personally, I like to use salt as treatment...by increasing the salinity levels from 1.000 (pure FW), to just 1.002 or 1.003, you can eradicate the ich parasites.  I'd suggest you purchase a small container of aquarium salt and a plastic box type hydrometer...add just enough to raise the salinity just those couple of points, and you'll kill the pests.  Keep up with the water changes also.>
Also, is the "hanging out at the bottom all together" common for goldfish or is this because they may be ill?
<Probably they aren't felling well, because of the ich, and also because of the toxins in the water, as we discussed above.  Salt and water changes should cure their/your problem, I think!>
Thanks for your help
Julie
<You are most welcome.  Hope all goes well, Jorie>

Smudged Lionhead
I have a lionhead fish and he had black smudge so I quarantined the fish in a separate tank and now I noticed that his head has a large white and red mass on it ??? what am I doing wrong??
<It's wonderful that you quarantined your fish...absolutely the right thing to do.  I need some additional details in order to help you figure out exactly what he's suffering from.  How long have you had this fish, what other fish did he live with and in how big of a tank, how often did you do water changes in his previous tank and how regularly did you measure the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels? Also, when you filled up the QT tank, did you take water from the old tank or did you just start with fresh tap water? Have you recently taken the water parameters in the QT tank? If so, please let me know what the readings (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are most important, but also pH and temp. would be good to know) were.  Finally, how big is this QT tank and what kind of filtration does it have?
With just a little more info. I can better help you...we can isolate the cause of this guy's problem and figure out how to best treat him.>
Please help,
Jo
<Jorie>

Another Bloaty Goldfish - 10/30/2004
Hi    
<Hi, Julie!  Sabrina here, this afternoon>
I have a calico fan tail gold fish, about 3 mo.s ago he started  floating upside down a lot.  He can swim right side up but only for a little while.  
<More than likely this is a very simple dietary issue, but may possibly be the result of damage/disease of the swim bladder....  My bet is on the former, as a swim bladder issue won't usually cause the fish to float *upside-down*.  What are you feeding him?>
He has all of his fins and there is no ick in the tank.  
<Good, and good.  How large is the tank?  Any tankmates?  Are you testing ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate?  What are the results of those tests?>
I  don't know what to do to help him stay right side up.  If you have any ideas or answers PLEASE pass it on to me.
<Glad to do so.  "Fancy" goldfish (fantails, Orandas, etc., etc.) have pretty deformed innards from having been so selectively bred for so very long; these genetic issues are not curable.  The result of this is that too much of the wrong kinds of food will very easily make them constipated - Bloaty, floaty goldfish.  The very best thing you can do for this is to stop feeding him flaked and pelletted foods exclusively, and instead use those items as a much smaller part of his diet.  For now, offer him some thawed frozen pea (squeeze the shell off of the pea), put a few stems of Anacharis/elodea/egeria (a water plant, available at most fish stores) in his tank (he'll happily graze on these).  You can blanch veggies (drop into boiling water for a few seconds) like cucumber, zucchini, squash, romaine lettuce, spinach, and more to give to him as regular foods, too - he'll love these.  I remember my goldfish when I was a kid - they were always rescuing me from my asparagus at dinner time!  If you offer canned veggies, make sure there are no "weird" ingredients on the label, and rinse them thoroughly before offering them to the fish.  Also, it is very easy to overfeed goldfish, so be careful only to feed him every other day or so; even just a few times a week, if he has some plants in the tank to munch on.  Keep doing this, and he should soon make a recovery, provided the tank is a good size, and his water quality is good!>
Thank you very much.
<Any time.>
Juile Casman
<Good luck with him, Juile!  Wishing you and your Bloaty pal well,  -Sabrina>

Goldfish Losing scales
Hi,
I had written to you earlier too My 2 red cap Orandas and they are losing scales and both of have lost scales on one side of their body. even my Bala shark seems to have the same problem (but is at a very early stage). I have searched  the web, all I am able to come up with is  that they have TB but I am not very sure as I am a beginner and it has only been two months that  since I have had an aquarium. I live in Delhi (India) and the are no good fish stores here. I there any medicine that I should use and how should I get it can I order them over the internet?
< This sounds like the start of a bacterial infection. Clean the filter and change 30% of the water. Treat with Nitrofuranace. This can be purchased at Drsfostersmith.com.-Chuck>
Amit

Dried Goldfish
Some weeks ago, my goldfish (George) jumped out of its tank and landed on the floor.  I am not sure how long it was out of water, but long enough for its fins and tail to be stuck to the floor!
It must have been out several hours -  slowly holding it in the palm of my hand for 20 minutes it revived to sink to the bottom of the tank.  Then over the course of a month went black, silver, tiger stripe effect, with fungus like stuff on the damaged area.  Two months later although black and silver with some orange bits he has recovered from swimming lop sided and is very active and seems very mobile.
We hope that George has no further intention to make a similar journey, but wondered whether he is really a miracle fish - how long can a goldfish can remain out of water?!?!
Mark
<Not sure, but if he was really out for several hours it would seem rather remarkable. As long as the gills are moist they can get oxygen directly from the air. In your case it was the skin and fins that dried and died. That he survived is a testament to the hardiness of carp. Don>

A blue Oranda turned gold
Hello,
<Hi...this is Jorie>
I have a blue Oranda that I have been treating for velvet disease because he turned gold with red spots on his fins and gills and was floating at the top of the tank.  The red marks have gone but he still seems slightly gold and not swimming as good as before.
The medicine says to treat every 48 hours.  If I treat every 48 hours for 2/3 weeks with the carbon filter removed, changing the water every 4/5 days will I poison him? And should all the gold disappear?  I am not sure he was healthy when I bought him (the guarantee is up).
<This sounds like a reasonable plan for treatment to me.  Just be sure to watch your fish for any adverse reactions and do a water change sooner rather than later if necessary.  I would probably suggest you change the water after two doses of meds (4 days).  Out of curiosity, which medication are you using? I would assume that the all of the gold spots should disappear once your fish has beat this parasite.  Do be sure to keep him quarantined for 3-4 weeks after all symptoms have subsided, since velvet, like Ich, is a parasite and has various lifecycles, some of which aren't a free-swimming stage and are thus difficult to see.
Good luck - please feel free to follow up with additional questions should you have any.>
Thanks in advance.
Michelle.

Concerned for 2 goldfish
Hello,
I have a 90 gallon fish tank with 7 (various type) gold fish and 2
Plecostomus (sp?) calling it a regular home. We also have a smaller (app..)
50 gallon pond that is not deep enough to hold our pond fish in the winter.
So the 3 of them were moved into the 90 gallon tank last week. (They aren’t
much of an addition, only about 1 ½ to 2 inches each.) Water quality for
both the tank and pond have been very good all summer. We have one fan tail
fish that is beautiful and loves to show off in her/his dancing around the
tank. That fish also loves to rub around on my hand when I stick it in the
tank to fix a plant or so! All of the sudden this fish is staying near the
top of the tank. He eats and will swim around, but more often than I like to
see, he sits at the top. We also have a little fan tail that got a rather
large bump on the side of it, just behind its’ gill. The first day we
noticed it he stayed pretty much in one spot of the tank (around the middle
of the water level) and only moved to eat that evening. The next day I was
going to move him to our quarantine tank, but the lump was getting smaller
and he was swimming about like usual. I am not sure if I should be worried
about it or not. (He happens to be the only fish that has been named and was
a gift to my youngest daughter. She is 4, and he can not pass away! ;) I
will for sure be buying a “twin” if he does!) Was adding the pond fish a bad
idea?
< Anytime you add fish to an existing aquarium you run the risk of adding a disease to it.> And if so, is it too late to remove them to keep further issues from
arising?
< Too late the damage is done.>
Or do I maybe have too many fish in the tank now and that may be
the issue.
< No the amount of fish in the tank is not the issue.>
The pond fish are not aggressive, so I don’t think they are
causing much stress. Other than taking up extra space. I can move them to my
Mom’s for the winter if necessary, she has a 1000 gallon pond that has very
few fish. Or, I could just give them to her (so as not to keep moving them)
and just start the pond over next spring. What ever is best for the fishies
works for me! And should I worry about treating the 2 who seem sick just
yet, or wait to see how they do? Unfortunately, I can only quarantine 1 at a
time since our QT is too small for 2 of them.
< The pond fish have been exposed to the cooler water outside for a while and the warmer interior aquarium waters may have stressed the fish and trigger some parasite that may have been already established in the outdoor pond. Sounds like you fish may have come down with bacterial infections but have recovered without medication.-Chuck>
Thanks,
Priscilla :-)

Goldfish trouble
<I have a redcap fish which is lying at the bottom of the tank on its side in an arch shape. What's up with it?>
First off, I need some additional information to better help you and your fish...how big is the tank your fish is in, how many and what type of other fish are living in there, what are the water parameters (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and temp.) It's hard to say for sure without more detail, but I would bet this guy is having trouble due to toxins in the water...when was the last time you did a water change? What is your normal water chance schedule?
I'll gladly help out once you get back to me with additional info...in the meantime, do a big water change (making sure to match the pH and temp. of the old and new water) for good measure, as it can't hurt and can only help.
Good luck,
Jorie

A Big Load of Carp
Hi, I have had my tank for about 2 years and have had the same fish in there for 18 months. I have a goldfish, fancy tail, 2 black moors, bubble eye and 2 tench. <That's a very heavy bio load you have. What size tank is this? What kind of filter do you use?> Last night they were all fine but this morning I noticed that all the fish, apart from the two tench, have had large areas of tail and fin destroyed and the bubble eye and goldfish have areas of body damaged. <Ouch!> I assumed that it is the tench that have done this as they are ok and have moved them into a second tank. <Great, if for no other reason than to spread out these large waste producers into a few tanks.>
Is there any reason for Tench to do this all of a sudden? They have been in the tank for 18 months and there has never been any attack on any fish in my tank before.
Shaun
<If all this damage happened in one night, then I assume you are correct in blaming the Tench. Why they picked last night is anyone's guess. But these are all carp, so maybe the Tench were trying to breed with the reluctant goldfish. If this damage has happened over the course of a week or so, then it may be bad water conditions, not aggression. Tench are known to have a very thick slime coat that would have allowed them to handle the problem longer than the goldfish. Also, have you done a large water change recently? May have triggered the breeding urge or caused a pH swing. A sudden pH swing can cause skin and fin damage. The tench would be somewhat protected by that slime coat. Please check your water for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH. Make sure the injured Goldfish are kept in pristine water, with salt added, to allow them to heal. Don>    

Moor has less
Dear WWM Crew,
First, thanks so much for all the great information on your site. It's a wonderful resource.
I have a problem with my black moor. I've posted on a couple of fish boards, but no one has really had too many suggestions so I turn to you. About 2 weeks ago, I looked at Carrot <A black carrot?> (had him about 2 years) and realized that a portion of his tail is gone--it looks like about 3/4 of an inch. One bit is still at the original length. The edge is uneven and slightly white, but not frayed. <OK> The other fins are fine. Other than the tail issue, his only other symptom has been a droopy dorsal fin. <Could be normal as he grows> He's eating energetically as always. I treated with Melafix for a week and although it's not getting worse, I'm not seeing improvement, either. Today I noticed he's acting a little lethargic--just hovering in one spot. Still eating, though.
I know water quality is usually the culprit, but I don't think that's the case here:
29 gallon planted tank, 1 black moor, 1 Oranda, 3 dwarf Otos <Very good.>
Ammonia, nitrites 0 <Great>
Nitrates ~20 <Great>
pH 7.7 <Good, if steady. Sudden swings can cause problems with skin and fins.>
20% water change every week <Good if that's enough to keep nitrates below 20. Seems a little low, but the plants help>
Penguin 330 bio-wheel filter <Great. 10+ turnover for goldfish>
Feed sinking pellets 2x a day, occasional bloodworms, peas <Great>
Temp: ~76 <Warm for the goldies, a little cool for the catfish. But good for this mix>
Recent changes: Moved fish from an 18 gallon about 2 months ago; that tank had been up for 2 years. I added the Otos about a month ago. --oh, and a wisteria at the same time. <Was the tank cycled when you added them? Possible an ammonia spike burned his tail a few weeks ago. Very localized though.>
Could the move or the addition of the Otos be stressing Carrot out and causing a problem? <Unlikely a stress issue would affect only one small part of this tail. Again, too localized.> Could the Otos be nipping at him? <Possible, but unlikely.> (I have never seen them around him and they are supposed to be goldfish friendly.)
I can put Carrot in QT for treatment, but I don't know with what and I don't even know what the problem is. Any suggestions would be most appreciated!
<Hi, Don here. If that white edge you speak of is not moving down the tail, I think this is an injury rather than illness. It's possible that the Oto nipped him, but more likely the other goldfish, IMO. He might have even ripped it on a rock or the filter intake. The MelaFix was a good try, but I hear very mixed reviews on it. Some swear by it, others at it. Since it does not seem to have helped in your case I would suggest a large water change and adding fresh carbon to your filter. His loss of energy after you added it concerns me a little. Try salt in the QT. If not for the Oto's I'd say leave him in the 29 for a salt treatment. Take it up to one Tbls a gallon over the course of a day or two. This is just to lessen the chance of a secondary infection until the injured tissue heals. If the tail gets worse at least he'll be in the QT for more aggressive meds.>
Thank you so much,
Rebecca

Sluggish Goldfish
My name is Darlene I have four goldfish in a ten gallon tank. 1 1/2 days ago one of my fish started to stay at the bottom of the tank in one spot and today it is now at the top of the tank in the same spot just hovering , has it
laid eggs? <No> Can you see them if it has? <Yes> Please help I don't want the other fish to eat them! <Highly unlikely that your goldfish have spawned. Does your tank have a filter, or airstone? Do you change the water? If you have not changed water recently, replace about half. You should do that about once a week. Don>

Upside down Goldfish
Hi, I have had my goldfish (which I think is a Chinese goldfish) for about 3-4 years now. for the past few months it had been floating on its back, but after reading your website questions and answers I now know what that is. It seems pretty healthy though swimming around because its not always on its back. But this past week it got a huge lump on its hind tail. It is round and is pretty much the same color as its fin but it has a hint of grey tint. I'm not really sure exactly what it is, but I didn't think fish could get cancer or tumors but maybe I'm wrong. Could you give me some advice?
< Fish do get tumors, but there is not much you can do about them. more likely I would guess that it is a bacterial infection so I would treat it with Nitrofuranace. It may be an internal parasite too so Pepso food would take care of that. If it turns out to be an internal bacterial infection then I would treat it with Metronidazole.-Chuck>
             Thanks A lot
                   Jenny

Tail Rot in Goldfish
Howdy All,
re: Gold Fish Tail/fin rot...Is that a medical problem solved by using ICK meds.
Thanks & Regards, Eddie.  
<Hi Eddy, Don here. Nope. Two different types of problems. Ick is a tiny parasite that shows on an infected fish as small, salt-like white spots. Tail and fin rot is either bacterial in nature or the result of prolonged exposure to bad water conditions. Even a combo of both as bad water conditions can allow a bacteria to get a foot hold. (Or would that be "tail hold"?) I would start with frequent water changes to keep his water pristine. Adding one Tbls spoon of salt per gallon will help. If his fins continue to decay try a good broad spectrum antibiotic. Use a med as a last resort as it may contribute to any water quality issues. Goldfish are very hardy. Good, clean water is usually all they need to recover. Please be aware, if this is a goldfish in a bowl, keeping the water pristine is next to impossible. He will need 15 to 20 gallons to thrive.>  

Wholesale dying of Goldfish
I am having major ongoing problems with my goldfish.
A bit of background:
I have a pet store and have a steady turnover of goldfish. Unfortunately far too many are dying.
I run nine tanks ranging in size from 70 to 210 litres. Filtration consists of undergravel filters run by powerheads, large airstones and canister filters on some of the tanks.
The pH ranges from 7 - 7.5. Zero ammonia and zero nitrite. 40 - 50% water changes every week. Some over stocked, some understocked.
We have no room for a quarantine facility.
It is illegal to import goldfish into New Zealand so all stock is locally breed and of poor quality. There are only four commercial supplies I know of. They all claim to have disease free fish. Various commercial sensitive treatments are used. Some use copper. They are caught out of massive ponds, treated and sold quickly unless they are fancy or more expensive.
None of this helps me. Fish that have been in my tanks for awhile (2 weeks or more) are normally always fine. It's the new arrivals that are the problem. There are no problems until a day or two after arrival. Then the fun begins. Fins drop, white patching in the fins and on the body, lethargy and death. Or alive and swimming one day with no signs of illness and dead the next.
We normally treat new arrivals for four days with 0.2% solution of malachite green 1ml per 20 litres and the tanks are salted. As far as I can tell, it's not helping! The odd sick fish notice in time is moved to a small 40 litre hospital tank - treatment is 1 cap furan, 2ml Malachite Green, salt and a 50% water change daily.
I do not have these problems with our tropical fish. Goldfish losses can be as high as 40% for new arrivals. Wholesalers give you the usual story of "this doesn't normally happen. This is killing me not to mention the fish!
I have read a lot of the articles on your website and just want to make sure I have understood this properly.
This is what we did:
New fish arrive.
Bags opened and floated in tanks for 30 minutes with two water additions.
Fish netted from bags into tank.
Treatment with 1ml per 20 litres 0.2% malachite green for 4 days (if my staff remember)
Twice a day heavy feeding - flake and crumble (I like feeding the fish)
We now do this:
New fish arrive.
Bags floated in tanks unopened for twenty minutes - lights off.
Fish netted from bags
No food for 24 hours.
Treatment with 1ml per 20 litres 0.2% malachite green for 4 days (gave staff a rocket)
Once a day light feeding of flake
(Seemed to lose more fish than ever but it was a different supplier than usual.)
Thinking of:
New fish arrive.
Bags floated in tanks unopened for twenty minutes - lights off.
Fish netted from bags
Fish dipped in tank water in trays for 2 minutes. Water treated with formalin and Aqua Plus.
Fish placed in tanks
No food for 24 hours.
Treatment with 1ml per 20 litres 0.2% malachite green for 4 days
Possible furan treatment on day 1 as precaution.
What can you suggest and what concentrations/dosages would be best?
ANY help would be appreciated. If not for me, for all the fish this could save.
Regards
Michael.
XXXX@petplanet.co.nz
<Could be pH. Your reading of 7 to 7.5 is OK, but a rather large swing to expose the fish to. Have you checked the pH of the inbound water? The water from a breeding pond could be very different from that of your tanks. pH shock can kill in the time window you mention. Any fish that survive will adapt and be fine as long as the pH remains steady. That seems to match the problems and successes you are having. The skin problems you report are also consistent with pH shock, but not the only possibility. All that being said, I have no experience in the wholesale end of the hobby. I'm going to pass this along to those that do. Don>    <<Don asked me to look over your message as well.... I do concur re the difference in pH from your suppliers ponds... they may well be using different water still for shipping. A very real problem with goldfish handling, shipping is high ammonia linked with elevated pH... I strongly encourage you to artificially depress the system pH to the mid 6 range (with buffering commercial aquarium product) AND the use of an ammonia absorbing compound (like Amquel or Stresscoat) AND an application of a teaspoon of uniodized salt per five gallons of system water... maintain this water quality for a good week or two after arrival, and gradually revert to tapwater conditions through water changes after this time. Should you lose a good-sized specimen, do consider a gross examination of the body cavity... there is a seasonal loss of goldfish through fatty degeneration linked with temperature shift (going into and out of cooler/water waters) that is hard to combat... that results in huge losses worldwide in the trade. Bob Fenner>>

Problems with Goldfish
<Hi there,>
Hello, Jorie here tonight
<I own two tanks of goldfish and one tank is for quarantine for some of my goldfish have developed tail rot and white spots on the tail.>
So glad to hear about the quarantine tank.  Too many people pass on this necessity in the aquarium hobby, so kudos for recognizing it's importance! With regard to fin and/or tail rot, that's most often caused by poor water quality...have you recently tested the water parameters (i.e., ammonia, nitrite, nitrate readings)? I'd start off by doing a big water change - can't hurt, can only help. Do be sure to match temperature and pH of old and new water, though. How often are you doing water changes, for that matter?
<We have placed a formula known as multi cure and it's stated there it should fix it.>
I'm not familiar with that medication off the top of my head - are it's ingredients listed on the packaging? In any case, keep the water pure and clean - that's also paramount in rectifying a fin/tail rot problem.
With regards to the white spots you mention, are they small, granular dots? If so, you are likely dealing with ich...water changes are also extremely important in curing this.  There are many methods used to treat ich, ranging from medication to hypo/hyper-salinity (either adding or reducing salinity) and heat; I'm don't believe you'd want to try either of the later two with goldfish, so I might recommend you look into a product called "Quick Cure" (NOTE: DO NOT MIX THIS WITH THE CURRENT MEDICATION YOU ARE USING - it's almost never a good idea to mix medications, unless you have specific knowledge that it's OK to do so). In any case, the life cycle of FW ich is somewhere between 3-4 weeks, so I'd suggest, if  possible, removing all the infected fish and putting them into a hospital tank while you allow your main tank to run fallow (fishless) for a month or so.
<Unfortunately it hasn't and the tail rot gets worse and the white spots start making the tail rot as well...And sometimes some of our goldfish lie at the bottom of the tank, and a couple have already died.>
Do take those ammonia, nitrite and nitrate readings...it sounds to me as though the fish may be succumbing to toxins in the water.  
<I don't know what this is a sign of so I hope you could tell me.
And one has lost it's buoyancy, it floats at the top of the tank and finds it difficult to swim to the bottom or middle for that matter.>
Sounds like this one is having trouble with his swim bladder...how long has this been going on?
<I really hope you can answer these>
You have a lot of different issues going on at once here...info. regarding how big the tanks are, how many fish you have, plus the parameters will be most helpful in sorting through all of this. Please let me know and I'll do my best to further assist!
<Justin>
Regards,
Jorie

Sick goldfish, info. needed
<Hello WWM crew>
Hello, this is Jorie
<I have this beautiful goldfish that I saved from the feeder
fish tank at a local pet store>
I love to hear these types of stories! I'm so glad your fishy friend found you!
<I've had him for two years now...>
Can you describe his set-up? How big is the tank, who does he live with, how often do you do water changes, what do you keep the temperature at, etc., etc...all this information is very helpful in determining what's going on with your fishy>
<...but he has developed swim bladder disease.>
How do you know this? What are his symptoms and how long have they been going on for?>
<Is there anything I can do to prevent this, and is
there any medication I can give him?>
I assume you are talking about preventing it from occurring again in the future? As with many fish illnesses, keeping good water quality is extremely important...one reason I was asking about your routine in caring for this fish. Also, in hearing the answers to some of those questions I can better help you determine what may work better.  With regards to treating, I'd like to confirm that this is in fact what you are battling - I'm never in favor of treating/medicating without being at least fairly certain of what's going on.  In my experience, you can do more harm than good in many instances when you "jump the gun", so to speak.  Please reply back with the details requested above and I'll do my very best to help!
<Thank you,  Mary>
You're welcome.  We'll be in touch soon, I hope!
Jorie

Re: sick Orandas
Hi again some more information 14 year old goldfish in 2x1x1 tank appro  11.1
gal is about 6 inches long. how do I add Epsom salt how often do I change  
water by what percentage and then how much salt do I re add.
< Check the water for nitrates . If they are over 25 ppm then the water needs to be partially changed to keep them under 25 ppm.>
yes I did mean  
pooping with Oranda do u think this is a factor it still is very keen to eat  
beats the goldfish up to the top of tank to get food. the Oranda and goldfish  
both about 4 inches in length including tails each also have two smaller  
goldfish in individual tanks they are about two inches each problem with putting  
any of these in with biggest goldfish is if she cant see the food it would all  
be eaten before she would get to it naturally. I keep calling her she but I
don't  know she has just always been called Suzy. does the fact that the Oranda
is able  to swim down and keep down for a while mean that it is improving.
thanks again  in anticipation
< When feeding your fish you can try and spread the flakes around so all the fish get a chance to eat. Never feed any more food than what the fish can eat in a couple minutes. Try and vacuum the gravel every other water change to keep the fecal matter from building up. Your filter should be turning the water over at least 3 to five times per hour and should be serviced regularly.-Chuck>

Re: sick Orandas
Hi again. <Hi back at you. Don here.> Some more information: 14 year old goldfish in 2x1x1 tank approx 11.1 gal and is currently about 6 inches long. How do I add Epsom salt? <Dissolve 2 Tbls in about two cups of tank water, then add back to the tank> How often do I change water and by what percentage? <If your tank/filter is cycled, then water change schedule is set by your nitrates. Try to keep below 20ppm. If  you are not cycled, increased water changes are called for. Ammonia and nitrite MUST be at zero.> How much salt do I re-add. <Same percent as water removed. ex If you add two Tbls to the whole tank and plan a 50% water change, add one Tbls to new water before adding it> Yes, I did mean pooping with Oranda. Do you think this is a factor? <Maybe. Could be constipated. The Epsom salt may help, as will feeding a raw, shelled pea. The salt will also help with the eye problem.> It still is very keen to eat. <good>  Beats the goldfish up to the top of tank to get food. The Oranda and goldfish are both about 4 inches in length including tails. Each also have two smaller goldfish in individual tanks. They are about two inches each. Is there a problem with putting any of these in with biggest goldfish? <No, not usually. Watch for aggression, they should be OK. But the more goldfish in the tank, the faster your water conditions will turn foul. And the more water changes you will have to do. Test often> It is as if she cant see the food. It would all be eaten before she would get to it naturally. I keep calling her she but I don't know, she has just always been called Suzy. Does the fact that the Oranda is able to swim down and keep down for a while mean that it is improving. <Yes. If this is constipation the Epsom salt and peas will help. If it's swim bladder problem then much harder to treat. If you are seeing any improvement, I'd stick with your current course of treatment.> Thanks again in anticipation.
Karen

Re: sick Orandas
I have followed what you told me to do hope it helps . <Me too> One other thing I've  
noticed about the Orandas is that shortly after eating, that is when it goes up  
the top and starts this floating on its back. Is this significant? <Yep, your fish is gulping air as he eats. Continue with the peas and switch to a sinking pellet food made for goldfish. To feed flake keep a pinch between your fingers and release it under the water. Sinking pellet is better though.> Tried just giving a pea. Stayed down all the time till next morning. <Bingo!> Fed flakes and it is away back up again. Your opinion on this will be helpful  Thank you.
<Glad you wrote back with this info. Much easier to correct his feeding behavior than repair a swim bladder problem. Don>

Swimbladder problem
Hello Jorie, Mary here,<Hi Mary, MacL here with you this time.>  Well lets see he was fine all last winter, and when spring came I put  my comet into our water feature outside. He even spawned with the other comet that I saved. Two weeks ago he came back inside and was put into my aquarium. I did a water change before he was brought in, about halve.
All of the other koi and goldfish are doing fine. He will stand on his head, swim sideways swim upside down, swim in circles very fast. He makes frequent trips to get air and belches large amounts of air bubbles. Once in awhile he will right himself. Like I said all of the other fish are doing fine. I hope this helps in your diagnosis. He is three years old and I hate to loose him now. <I bet he sure sounds lovely.> <Mary, I'm sure you have already tried the frozen pea remedy to be found on the site and possibly salt. The other option is to try to try feeding your goldfish sinking foods rather than floating types.  They won't inhale so much air this way.   The pellets if soaked in water before feeding will expand before the fish eats them and this has helped a lot for some fish I have seen>
Thank you so much for writing me back, can you help? Again thank you,    Mary.

Strange behavior in Goldfish
I have 3 goldfish , I have had them for 10 months , they were about 1 1/2" long when I bought them, everything was normal till this week, one of them is acting strange, hiding and laying on its back and when you probe him he rushes around hitting the sides and splashing the surface and then retreats to hide in a log or foliage. hope you can help me.  thank you  Bill Pich
<Hi Bill, if there are no other signs of illness (white spots, fin-rot, body swelling) then I think that your goldfish might be suffering from a swim bladder problem.  There are a number of reasons why the fish might have swim bladder disease.  
1.A virus or bacteria that attacks the air sac which causes inflammation and makes it difficult for gasses to diffuse across.    So, the fish is stuck at a specific buoyancy.  This is why water quality is so important.
2.Anatomy. The ornamental goldfish that are breed today are predisposed to problems with the swim bladders.  This is because threw years of breeding the normally stream-lined body is now much more compact, which literally scrunches the organs. This arrangement predisposes to food impactions, which in turn clog up the pneumocystic duct. And causes unbalanced body to bladder ratio.
3.Diet. Feeding dry foods which tend to take on water like a sponge and expanded food can run the chance of impaction.
So, now we know what causes it.  How to fix the problem.  Check your water chemistry.  Make sure that ammonia, nitrite, and Nitrates are at zero (or close as possible (especially the nitrAtes).  Keep the water clean and do regular water changes.  Add a airstone to makes sure the water is oxygenated properly.  The next magic trick to try is feeding your goldfish peas!  Just feed your fish a couple of store bought peas. Just get some frozen peas, thaw them, and feed them to your fish.  Not only is it good and healthy, but veterinarians thick that the peas also help break up food impactions.  Which will help regain the buoyancy.  Hopefully that will offer some help, keep the water clean, and make sure the other fish don't start harassing the sick one.  They will pick at the fish and nip the fins.   Good luck and if you need more help might I suggest www.goldfishinfo.com.   Hope the goldie gets better. -Magnus>

How many times can a fish die?
I recently won a feeder fish at a fair. I bought a 1 gallon tank, a air pump
and air stone. <Filter?> He was happy. Then his fins started getting red streaks, and then got thinner, and thinner. He began loosing scales, and was covered in
white stuff. I put him in a recently purchased and filled 5 gallon tank with
a black moor for a tankmate. The feeder died. I bought a sucker fish and a
comet. The black moor's body looked as though it was broken in half, and it
died. Then the comet got the same sickness as the first fish got, and died.
Then the suckerfish died with what seemed to be ick, but I put in ick
formula before it had it to prevent it. When the feeder fish and comet got
sick, I put in powder for Hemorrhagic Septicemia, which I thought it had. I
did a complete water change after everything died and cleaned it all with a
hose. Do you think these fish will die again? <I'm 100% sure these dead fish will not die again. Once is the limit.> We got the ph level perfect <Good. What was it?>
and well.... I'm looking for your advice.
<OK. Don here. Thanks for asking the questions. Please add a filter to your tank. Look for the smallest you can find that has a "Bio Filter". This is just an area in the filter that will grow the bacteria that consume ammonia and nitrite. These are waste products that are deadly to fish. Pick up a test kit for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate as well as pH. Set up the tank, without fish, and add a pinch of food or a small raw cocktail shrimp. Test the water until you see a spike and crash in the ammonia and nitrite levels. After BOTH have spiked and crashed, nitrate levels will start to rise. This will take from 3 to 6 weeks. Your tank is now cycled and ready for fish. But not goldfish. Five gallons is way too small for even one. Without a heater I would add about four or five White Clouds. Add a heater and your choices go up. But research the adult size before buying any fish. You have a very small tank. Continue to test and do partial water changes to keep nitrates below 20ppm. Ammonia and nitrite must remain at zero. Do not add any meds as most will kill your bio filter. Do a search here for "Cycling". Good luck and welcome the hobby.>     

Fantail Goldfish
Hello!  Please excuse me but I am a complete novice when it comes to raising fish.  <As we all were/are> I've only had my tank for about a month now. <Very new to have so many fish> I have a 10-gallon tank with 1 fantail goldfish, 1 calico goldfish, 1 Oranda and 1 plec. All are about 2 inches long. <But will soon become much larger> I also had a black moor but I lost him to a fungus; replaced him and lost the second one within 2 days, no known reason.  I did a complete water change when I lost the second moor. <Better to change only part at a time. 50-60% max, and then ONLY if the pH's are the same> The Oranda, calico and plec are all fine; quite active and hungry! <and growing> But now my fantail gold, Scooter, is listless, sits on the bottom of the tank, barely moves at all, and won't eat.  No signs of fungus or Ich. <Good> After reading your FAQ's I have just cooked up some peas and are cooling them; I also bought some brine shrimp pellets which I have not yet given to them.  I have only been feeding them Tetra Fin goldfish flakes up to this point. <A varied diet is vital to long term health. Great move, but not a solution to your problem, IMO>
When my first moor became ill, I treated the tank with MelaFix and Quick Cure on the advice of my local fish store, but he died anyway.  The replacement moor also died even though I was still treating the water, but he had no visible signs of disease.  Scooter has been quite active (hence the name "Scooter") until two days ago when I found him on the bottom of the tank.  Occasionally he'll swim around a little but then heads back down and sits there for hours at a time.  He refused the goldfish flakes even when they were dropping all around him.  The water has been tested again and is fine. <Need the readings for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH> I added 2 tablespoons of aquarium salt when I changed the water.  <Be careful of salt around a Pleco. Two Tablespoons in 10 gallons should be OK> My filter is new and clean. <The problem, I think> I have 2 air things (see, I told you I'm a novice!), both above the gravel.
How can I help Scooter?  <See below> I hope you have some advice for me and I again apologize if I've asked very stupid questions! <No such thing!> Thanks very much - Robin <No problem - Don>
First, I'd suggest you start daily water changes of about 20%. Your tank and filter have not had enough time in one month to grow the bacteria needed to clear your water of ammonia and nitrite. Please get back with the readings from your water tests. Also, what type filter are you using? Search this site for "Cycling". That will explain a lot. But your long term problem is the adult size of your fish vs. the size of the tank.  

Re: Fantail Goldfish
Don:  I will do the 50% water change as you suggested right now and will get
the ammonia test tomorrow - do you think there's a chance these fish will
survive?  Robin
Sure. Goldfish and Plecos are very hardy fish. You have some work to do since you added the fish before getting the cycle established. The water changes will slow the cycling, but we have no choice now. Those nitrites must come down and stay down. When you build up a bacterial colony you will be able to slow the water changes and enjoy your tank more. Don't concern yourself if the water clouds up. That's normal at this point. Also be careful not to over feed. Use a gravel vac to do water changes and remove any waste or uneaten food. Temp is my other worry with this mix. The Pleco likes warmer water than the goldies. Low to mid 70's should keep everyone comfortable.
Don

Re: Fantail Goldfish
Don:  Thanks much for the advice.  I'm sorry to say Scooter died this
afternoon, but hopefully I will be able to keep my plec, calico and Oranda.
Our water is well water and filtered; there is much ore before filtering as
I live on the west slope of the Sierras.  Latest water test: Nitrate 20;
nitrite 5.0; total hardness 150; total alkalinity 120; ph level 8.4.  My
test kit does not have ammonia.  These readings have changed dramatically
since the last test which was two days ago now; all tested in the safe
ranges.  The filter is an Aquatech 5-15 power filter.  What further advice
can you give me?  Thanks very much for your time and attention!  Robin
Your tank is still cycling. Please get an ammonia test, but I think you will find it at zero. It has been converted into nitrite. Nitrite at 5.0 will kill, so you need to reduce it to zero by doing daily partial water changes. When both ammonia and nitrite stay at zero and nitrates spike, your tank will be cycled. You can then adjust your water change schedule to keep nitrates below 20ppm.
BTW Each of your fish will need at least 20 gallons to thrive. That Pleco will get over a foot. Don   

Please help....... Sick Black Moor
I’ve had a pair of black moors for just over 2 years now and feed them dried
daphnia in the morning and flakes in the evening. They’ve bred in the past,
so I assumed I was doing everything right for them. They've always swam
around fine, with no problems, but sometimes liked to 'relax' at the top of
the tank or rest on the bottom. I’m afraid I’ve only just found out this
isn’t' normal!
My male fish has now started turning on his side when he is floating at the
top, but has no trouble when swimming around the rest of the tank.
I’ve read your web answers to related questions and also took advice from
someone at an aquatic shop and have just started adding a swim bladder
medicine to their water, given them peas, purchased some frozen daphnia, and
am also trying to soak my flake food before I give I to them.
My two problems are this; Firstly the male is fine eating the soaked flakes,
as he will forage around the bottom of the tank for the sunken flakes.
However my female fish is a little slower, and will just hover at the top
for food. At the moment I’m resulted to hand feeding her the soaked flakes!
How can I encourage her to realize the flakes sink and that she has to look
for them ?
Also I’m dubious about using the cubes of frozen daphnia. They’re from a
reputable source, but A.) How do you feed them – frozen or defrosted, and
B.) If they sink to the bottom, I’m going to have the same problem getting
the female to eat them as with the flakes. Any ideas ?
Thank you in advance.
< Your fish are suffering from internal bacterial infections. Too much food, wrong food, dirty water, too hot, etc... These things are caused by stress. Treat the tank with Metronidazole and don't feed for awhile. When the fish start to swim normally then you can start feeding again. I think that your fish were eating too much and in was sticking in the gut before it could all be passed. The medicine will help. When cured only feed enough food so that all of it is gone in a couple of minutes once a day.-Chuck>

Black Moor ill
<Hi Cheryl, If you'll look at the very bottom of the page you'll see where Chuck has written a response to your original question.  I'm sorry your moors aren't doing well and I know how frustrating that is.  I think we can help you>
Well yes, I have searched through the web page, and also various other pages
but haven't found the answers I'm looking for and meanwhile my fish is
getting worse.
I have also called 2 different aquatic shops which have given me different
answers, therefore I 'Asked the WWM Crew a question' Never mind. <Lots of different answers to the same problems because people can only try to help you based on their experiences. We believe your goldfish has an infection, could be caused by tons of different things down to them getting too hot, if you can believe that, but hopefully we have caught it in time to help them. Chuck suggests you "Treat the tank with Metronidazole and don't feed for awhile." The limiting factor would be when they start swimming strongly again. I have to agree with him on this. We need to get them passed this infection and on the road to recovery. Good luck and please let me know how they are doing. MacL>

Re: An ill fish
Thanks again Mac.  As far as the sunken in stomach goes, a marine  biologist I talk to online told me he thinks he has an internal bacterial infection or internal parasite and to feed him "New Life Spectrum" but I wanted  to see what You said first. <Either of those are pretty standard for sunken stomachs Jay.>  How do I determine which to use Selcon or new  life spectrum? <I think you can use them together. Selcon is just vitamin C, Life spectrum is a type of food> Which one do u think I should start with?  He also has  a small upraised bump right above his eye, it's not red or open or anything it just looks like a big zit which is the same color as his body and scales? <That sounds like a parasite as well.>  What could that be and based on this which one of these products should I use first? <Use them at the same time. Won't hurt a thing.  Good luck and let me know how it goes, MacL>

My fantail goldfish (yellow/gold) has one very swollen eye.
<Popeye, or exophthalmia is the condition of an eye wherein it protrudes from its normal position in a socket. The bulging of an eye could be due to bacterial infection that had gotten in behind the eye and is causing the swelling in the socket.  If it is only one eye though, the prognosis is better.  Perhaps the fish had trauma to the eye, like bumping it into a filter, which initially allowed the bacteria to gain a foothold.>
It seemed to have happened almost over night. I don't think anything is wrong,
<I would test your water immediately for high ammonia.  Goldfish produce a lot of waste and this condition is typically seen with fish kept in unclean water. I would start doing water changes as well, freshwater will help. the cleaner the water, the less stressed the fish is, and the more it's immune system can fight the bacteria.  I should warn you that, chances are high that your fish might loose this eye.  Be sure water quality is optimal, and that the diet and temperature are perfect for the chosen species you maintain. You can try antibiotics with this, such as the ones sold by Mardel.  But, I suggest you add some Melafix to help enhance and q