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FAQs about Stands, Supports for Aquariums: Commercial
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125 Gallon All-Glass and Stand Question
9/10/07
Hello,
<Ben>
I recently came across your site and found that it contained many interesting
answers to aquarium questions. However while I saw a few answers that brushed
upon my subject I wanted to get a clearer answer.
<Okay>
I recently purchased a 125 gallon All Glass Aquarium with a black pine stand
manufactured from the same company. The stand at first glance appears to be
sturdy but knowing that a tremendous amount of weight will be applied to this
stand,
<More than a thousand pounds... with the gravel et al. considered, aquarium
systems weigh in at about ten pounds per gallon>
I had to look closer. The stand is resting on a concrete floor and all sides are
level, however when I look inside the cabinets, I noticed some of the pine
boards have vertical hair line cracks.
<Mmmm... the boards as in the panels? But not the structural elements? The
uprights?>
Is this something I should be worried about?
<Possibly if it is the functional elements involved>
I have had 100 gallons in it for 48 hours and there has been no shift in level
and the cracks have not grown in size. I guess I am looking for some reassurance
that this tank will rest on the stand for a long time to come and not end up on
the floor.
Have you ever heard of these stands failing?
<Extremely rare for commercial stands to fail>
Regards,
Benjamin Schmaus
<A pic or two please. Bob Fenner>
Questionable Tank Seam/Packing
Material Left On The Stand – 06/06/07
Hi,
<<Howdy Steve>>
I really enjoy the website.
<<Thanks…me too!>>
I've recently purchased a new 115-gal aquarium and after letting it sit
for two weeks to make sure it was fully cured I test filled.
<<I see>>
No leaks were evident, but I do have a suspect seam.
<<Uh-oh>>
When empty all seams are clear and look acceptable. When filled however,
one seam has a fairly large white area that extends approximately 8mm
into the 12mm glass thickness for about 12" of the seam.
<<Mmm…>>
I'll attach a few pics to clarify.
<<I see these... I’ll ask Bob to interject if he feels differently, but
it certainly looks to me like you may have an issue with the
seal…especially considering this only shows when the tank is full of
water>>
Of course my main concern is that it could be a void in the silicone
that may eventually lead to a failure at the seam.
<<Agreed>>
I contacted both the manufacturer and the store I purchased it from and
they both said if it isn't leaking now its fine.
<<Bunk…>>
After expressing concern about the issue they finally agreed that the
seam could be redone in the store, but acted like I was being
unreasonable.
<<Mmm, a shame>>
I'm not sure I'm comfortable with an in-store quick fix that they don't
believe is even necessary in the first place.
<<I’m with you on this…perhaps you can send these pics to the
manufacturer for their edification and press this issue with them>>
I also had a question on the stand.
<<Okay>>
It's designed to only support the ends of the tank and is actually
raised 1/8" on each end so that the aquarium doesn't touch the stand at
all in the middle.
<<This is not right…I suspect there is something amiss with the stand>>
The entire aquarium is supported by 2" on either end.
<<Ah yes, I see this in the photos. This looks to be a bit of
“hardboard” material…perhaps leftovers from the shipping/packing
material. Do see if you can remove this>>
I've heard about large aquariums being supported mainly in the corners,
but never seen it taken to the extreme of having the free floating
center section.
<<This glass tank needs to be supported along its “entire perimeter”>>
I really appreciate your help and advice. I'm just afraid if I flood the
house and ruin our floors my wife will be forever against having another
large aquarium.
<<Mmm…that sounds familiar…>>
I do understand how she feels, but the fish need room to roam.
<<Much agreed…and you do have some issues to reconcile re this tank and
stand before you can proceed any further>>
Thanks,
Steve
<<Hope I’ve been of help. EricR>>
Re: Questionable Tank Seam/Packing
Material Left On The Stand – 06/07/07
Thanks for the prompt reply Eric.
<<You’re welcome Steve>>
Both the store and tank manufacturer were adamant that the wood strips
on the ends are in fact part of the design.
<<You spoke with the manufacturer yourself?>>
Their explanation was that it prevents pressure points on the long side
that can lead to failure on larger, taller tanks.
<<Mmm, not if the stand is flat and planar...as it should be. I have
never before seen nor heard of supporting a glass tank “only by the
ends”... So this manufacturer states this tank is meant to hold water;
with no support from the stand other than the two-inch wide strip across
each end, by the strength of the bottom glass panel and silicone seal
alone?!>>
The store further said that the tank is designed to be loaded on the
corners.
<<...! >>
They've been making tanks for over 30 years, but it certainly seems odd.
<<To me as well>>
Do any other manufacturers make stands that only support the ends of the
tank?
<<None “I” am aware of...Bob?>>
I got a call back from the LFS today, and they spoke to the owner of the
aquarium company. He reassured me that the white streak in the seam
would not be a problem.
<<It is not my intent to cast dispersions on your LFS, but were this my
tank/stand, I would want to talk to the manufacturer myself>>
My Oscars are rapidly out growing their current tank, and I need to find
some resolution to these issues. Now I'm more concerned about the stand
than the seam.
<<I’m racking my brain but can’t recall a similar situation in “my” more
than 30 years in the hobby, but I will ask that Bob add his
comments/opinions here (do check the daily FAQs). His exposure in the
hobby/trade is much broader than mine, perhaps he can either allay or
confirm your (and my) fears re this setup. Regards, EricR>> |
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Need Your Wisdom/Experience –
06/07/07
Hi Bob, I've made two replies to a query with the title "Aquarium Seam"
in the 'sent' folder that I would appreciate if you could review and add
your thoughts. The Chap who wrote in has a tank that has what appears to
be a void in a seam that only "shows" when water is added to the tank.
<Yikes... this very often is evidence of a poorly made seam, and a small
air gap... that gets much larger with vacuum...>
But the real puzzler (for me) is the tank's stand. The stand "only"
supports the 115-gallon glass tank for about two-inches at "each end."
Supposedly, the manufacturer and store owner through which the tank was
purchased, are adamant this is how the setup was designed to be used. Is
this feasible/practical in the long term?
<Mmmm, is... IF the stand is otherwise (very) strong, planar and
level... HOWEVER if it is not so in any of these three ways AND/OR some
challenge (a big bump, earthquake, floor settling...) occur, can be HUGE
trouble. In actuality on the rim/edge of most tanks "touch" the stand...
and this touching area is all that needs to be Strong, Planar, Level...
BUT there being "more" to the stand provides the stability and strength
to this setting-edge area...>
I'm much interested in your take on this. Many thanks, Eric
<Will do. BobF> |
Re: Need Your Wisdom/Experience
– 06/07/07
Hi Bob, I've made two replies to a query with the title "Aquarium Seam"
in the 'sent' folder that I would appreciate if you could review and add
your thoughts. The Chap who wrote in has a tank that has what appears to
be a void in a seam that only "shows" when water is added to the tank.
<Yikes... this very often is evidence of a poorly made seam, and a small
air gap... that gets much larger with vacuum...>
But the real puzzler (for me) is the tank's stand. The stand "only"
supports the 115-gallon glass tank for about two-inches at "each end."
Supposedly, the manufacturer and store owner through which the tank was
purchased, are adamant this is how the setup was designed to be used. Is
this feasible/practical in the long term?
<Mmmm, is... IF the stand is otherwise (very) strong, planar and
level...
HOWEVER if it is not so in any of these three ways AND/OR some challenge
(a big bump, earthquake, floor settling...) occur, can be HUGE trouble.
In actuality on the rim/edge of most tanks "touch" the stand...
<<This I understand...but I have always thought the tank "needed" to be
supported around/along the "entire perimeter." Eric>>
>Yikes! I see this statement now... A BIG NO to this proposal... Had
mis-read that the entire edge was to be supported. I would NOT fill a
container thus supported (only on both ends). BobF<
and this touching area is all that needs to be Strong, Planar, Level...
BUT there being "more" to the stand provides the stability and strength
to this setting-edge area...>
I'm much interested in your take on
this. Many thanks, Eric
<Will do. BobF> |
| And now having placed the images... This IS a stand that supports
all edges... and for the stand-only sakes will likely be fine. HOWEVER,
I would NOT fill or keep this tank with the apparent seam problem... Too
likely to "pop". BobF |
Re: Aquarium
Seam, Stand - 6/7/07
Thanks so much for your input Bob. The stand certainly appears to be
a conventional "full perimeter" style, but there are two thin strips of
wood(1/8" x 3" x 19") at each end that actually elevate the tank 1/8"
above the stand itself and provide the sole support for the tank. I made
yet another call to the manufacturer today, and once again they
confirmed that it was in fact the way they intended the tank and stand
to be configured. Another interesting note is that the back of the tank
has no center support along the entire 50" length, further suggesting
that it was in fact designed to support the tank in this manor. The
store specifically told me not to add a center support! I'll attach a
pic of the end strips to clarify.
<I see this... and do NOT like what I see... There is certainly
(daily...) items I am unfamiliar with... but this has me stymied... I
REALLY am concerned re this design... And am requesting that you get
contact info. re the actual manufacturer of this stand, contact them
and/or pass on to me for my contacting them... and GET express warrantee
re this stand... On an entirely separate issue: I personally would NOT
fill this tank period... until I had the FULL assurance of someone with
structural engineering's okay... and would NOT keep this particular tank
nor fill it for fear of catastrophic seam failure. The images previously
sent show a VERY DANGEROUS gapping in the Silastic. Bob Fenner> |
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All Glass Tank, Perfecto Stand? 3/20/07
Hey All.
<Hi, Eric. GrahamT with you this morning.>
Just a quick question.
<Ok.>
I have a 75 gallon Perfecto tank and pine stand. I would like to get a drilled
tank, but use the same stand. Would it be possible to get a drilled All Glass
90 gallon with the same footprint to fit on the Perfecto stand?
<Don't see why not.>
My LFS says maybe, maybe not, only adding to my confusion. They claim that
there may be small enough differences in design, even though both tanks are 48 x
18, that may cause different branded stands not to fit.
<You are not likely to have problems, unless your current tank and stand
combination has the tank sitting inside a lip. You *might* find that the AG tank
has thicker glass, and won't fit as a result. Otherwise, I would think you'd be
fine. This is really all that I can think of, and assuming your stand requires
the tank to sit on top, then you would be fine anyway.>
Like always, You Rock.
<Aww, shucks.>
Thanks,
Eric
<Welcome.
-GrahamT>
Aquarium Support 11/8/04
I am currently working through my 2nd Year on Advanced Certificate in anagement of Zoo Animals and am currently having difficulty finding
information regarding one of the Tasks that I need to complete. After
visiting your website, I was wondering if you had any information that
would be relevant to my Task.
The Task requires me to describe support structures that would be adequate to
support the following sizes of aquarium :-
a) 2m x 0.45 x 0.45m
b) 1.5m x 0.3m x 0.3m
c) 2.6m x 0.85m x 1m.
They require me to provide 400 words and I am having difficulty finding any
information regarding this. Thank you for taking the time to read this e-mail,
and if you could possibly give me any information towards this task, I would be
extremely grateful.
Karen Carter
<there is/was a book called the "Living Aquarium" published at one point in time
by Crescent books/pub. Its available on Amazon.com and other booksellers. In
this book are excellent specs on building and supporting many different types of
aquaria. I would seek this inexpensive and delightful reference. Anthony>
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