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Help regarding Ghost
Koi 1/20/08
Dear Wet Web Media Crew
Great web site, which I often look to for inspiration but this is the
first time I've actually tried posting a question.
My question is regarding a ghost Koi who is about 4" long and has been
housed in 40" deep garden pond of around 440 gallons (2,000.00 litres)
with twelve other smaller or similar sized fancy goldfish.
For a while now I have noticed what I thought appeared to be fungus
growing around the ghost Koi's dorsal fin and the base of the tail fin.
<I see this... pox>
But after catching the fish and re-housing him in a small hospital tank
in readiness to treat him with a proprietary anti fungus fin rot
treatment I was surprised to find what I thought was fungus doesn’t look
anything like the woolly mould like growth I was expecting but more like
some sort of ulcer. Other than these various "lesions" growing on the
Koi's body all else seems fine, i.e. swimming normally, feeding well
etc.
I have regularly tested the pond water quality where the Koi was
recently caught from and in the two years the pond has been operational
the Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate have never been any cause for alarm.
<Good, and well-reported>
If you could spare a few moments to look at the attached photos of the
Koi and any advice you or any one else in the Wet Web Media Crew good
give would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again for a great web site.
Yours in anticipation
Simon B
<Not to be an alarmist... as I could be wrong... this doitsu Ohgon
appears to be a bearer of carp pox... Please take a look/read on the
Net... Perhaps via Google, Images... and let's chat further. Bob Fenner>
Re: Help regarding
Ghost Koi
Bob
Many thanks for your very prompt reply. After doing a bit more research
as you suggested, it would seem that your initial diagnosis of Carp Pox
was correct.
From what I gather Carp Pox is a viral infection, similar to the Herpes
virus in Humans and some people say that it can be brought on by poor
water quality and stress.
<Yes>
The fish was purchased in early September from a well known garden
aquatic centre here in Oxfordshire UK. But was caught by a Saturday
moron, who franticly chased the fish around the tank with an over sized
net, before finally catching it, then roughly manhandling it into a bag
after its fin rays became completely stuck in the nets mesh (I don’t
shop there any more)
<I certainly don't blame you>
so I guess that could explain the stress part, but like I said my pond
water quality is regularly tested and hasn’t ever been a cause for
alarm.
I did read that the “Carp Pox lesions” can often go down by themselves
in the summer months and indeed simply raising the water temperature can
apparently sometimes cause the lesions to go down.
<Yes, sometimes>
If this is correct the fact that the fish is now in a small hospital
tank in the heated living room could put this theory to the test,
although the fish doesn’t particularly seem to be enjoying his new
smaller surroundings and seems to rarely venture out of the two flower
pots that were put there to give him a bit of a feeling of security.
Do you think it would be smart to keep the fish in its new home until
late spring now, rather than returning it to the unheated outdoor pond
which is currently around 10 or 11 oC (unusually mild British Winter,
probably making up for all the flooding of July 2007).
And from what I have gathered Carp Pox is incurable but more unsightly
than harmless, is this correct?
<Mmm, can be... unfortunately this "plague" is often tied/linked to
incidences of Furunculosis/Ana aki... Aeromonad infections that can be
trouble...>
Or do you know of or have any experience of a medication that actually
works,
<Ah, no>
because I don’t really want to go needlessly bombarding the fish with
chemicals for a condition that I understand wont kill it
and may improve by it’s self, is that correct?
<Yes>
Well thanks again for your earlier reply and a great web site, I promise
I will set up a Pay Pal account and make a small donation for its up
keep.
Simon B
<Simon... I do wish we could quickly communicate... such that your mind
might be more at rest. The gist of what you write is so... there is not
much to do other than keep the one fish isolated (from the rest of your
Nishikigoi), do what you can to provide good water quality, bolster its
immune system... and hope. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
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Re: Help
regarding Ghost Koi – 1/28/08
Hi Bob
Hope this e-mail finds you and the rest of the wet web media
crew well.
<Thank you my friend, yes>
Apologies for being a bit slow with the communications but our
e-mail access hasn’t been working for a while and besides this
whole Internet revolution thing passed me by I bit and I am
still a newcomer to it all.
<Better late than...>
Any way just to keep you up to date on your original diagnosis
of Carp Pox affecting my Ghost Koi. Since we did last
communicate after I moved the fish from the pond into the small
hospital tank in the heated living room all lesions appear to
have completely disappeared!
Literally to the point where you can now barely even see any
trace them. So it looks like that higher water temperature has
done the trick.
<Mmm, yes... and this "cure" points to another probable root
cause here... Aeromonad involvement/Furunculosis/Ana aki...>
Am still not quite sure what to do with the Koi because I am
thinking that as soon as I return him to the lower water
temperatures in the pond, the Pox lesions will return as quickly
as they seemed to have disappeared.
<Likely so...>
But as you can see from the attached pictures his present living
quarters can only be considered as temporary but at least he
seems to be getting used to all the attention from the cat ( but
I think I will keep the aquarium lid gaffer tapped down just to
be sure)
If I did return the Koi to the pond in spring (who knows last
April here in the UK was apparently the hottest since records
began) are the Pox lesions likely to return each subsequent year
as the water temperature drops again in autumn?
<Only time, observation can/will tell... but this is what I
would do>
I did a head count in the pond today and all the other inmates
appear to be in fine health but I was wondering is the carp pox
virus only contagious amongst other Koi or will the other “non
Koi” pond inhabitants (common goldfish, comets, Shubunkins and a
couple of seldom seem weather loaches). be at risk each year?
<The viral aspect is more universal than Aeromonad outbreaks...
which tend to run in "ones", "twos" unless a virulent stage
and/or severe "challenge" occurs>
Well thanks for all your earlier assistance.
Simon
<Please do read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/holedispd.htm
and the linked, related FAQs file above. Bob Fenner> |
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Emailing: Fish2. goldfish tumour
2/22/07
Dear Bob
Could you please let me know what is wrong with my fish . I have just
noticed that one has a white ball the size of a pea on its tail and
another has a white lump near its eye . What is it and how do I cure it
many thanks
Robert Hawker
<Likely a Viremia of some sort... can be trouble... spread... Or just
resident... like planter's warts. Do step up, and maintain good water
quality, nutrition to keep this spread arrested. Bob Fenner> |
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The Dreaded Furunculosis!
Preface: I know my Koi housing is totally inadequate and probably
contributed to the disease. Chock it up to inexperience and a lesson well
learned. I have always wanted an outdoor pond and the cost has made it difficult
to achieve. I will not be getting more fish without first establishing the
proper environment.
<<I've seen well-established, properly stocked systems experience bad outbreaks
of this awful disease. While basic husbandry can exacerbate or alleviate the
problem, it is not the "final word".>>
My first experience with sick fish didn't turn out well. I had 3 Koi, 2 about
8-9", one 4" (Freckles, Flash and Flip, respectively). After reading your web
site I'm guessing the problem was Furunculosis. Freckles had what looked like a
few hemorrhages beneath the skin along the body and one at the mouth, one area
looked like it had penetrated the skin. He also had enlarged eyes with a white
goggle-like appearance.
<<Pardon me, but wholly sheet, that was one badly infected fish. The infection
wasn't just presenting externally, it was systemic. Poor fish!>>
I put him into a Qtank and began to salinize the water, 1 T. per 10 gal every 8
hours for 3 doses.
<<Not sufficient salt, and not sufficient treatment.>>
I did not have available on short notice, the proper medications but did have
and added some Nitrofurazone based fizz type tablets (Tank Buddies Fungus
Clear).
<<Is one treatment.>>
I also dabbed his lesions with iodine.
<<Ok. I've read that Neosporin may actually be effective used in this manner.
This is obviously for external lesions only, cannot address internal/systemic
infection adequately.>>
I found little Flip the next day dead in the pond, same appearance, except the
eyes looked OK. So I removed Flash to the Qtank with Freckles, and increased the
saline to 2%, plenty of aeration too.
<<Good move, but again not sufficient. 3% is the place to start.>>
I examined Flash and found no hemorrhagic spots and eyes looked OK. Next morning
Freckles is dead, too. So far Flash is fine, no lesions, peppy and even eats a
bit. Flash is still lesion free 3 days after this episode began.
<<This is very much like what I experienced with my mother's pond fishes. We
have ONE survivor from our awful bout two years ago, scarred on the side that
suffered a really terrible lesion, but alive.>>
My question is how long should I leave Flash in the brine? Should I bring the
saline solution to 3% or start dilution through water changes?
<<Take it up, definitely. I kept my fish "pickling" for weeks, till they were
lesion-free. I advise the same for you.>>
And most important what about the "pond"? I'm ashamed to say it is only about 50
gal... my fish started at 2-3". It's a filtered and planted plastic tub. Is the
water (tested fine 1 day before this began) contaminated with this darn bug or
whatever it is?
<<Honestly, I would not be surprised if this organism (sorry, can't think of the
genus at the moment.. it's on the tip of my brain!) is actually carried in the
air. Leaving it fallow of fish during treatment should be enough. If it has
plants, DON'T salt!>>
Should I do a complete water change, filter clean out and start fresh?
<<I would only worry about excess mulm/detritus on the bottom. A filter cleaning
won't hurt, but care for your nitrifying bacteria, rinse in pond water only, not
tap water.>>
What about the plants: Anacharis, frog-bit, and 1 lily and 1 floating-heart in
pots? How can I decontaminate those?
<<I wouldn't worry about it.>>
Thank you for your help,
Robin Murray
<<Robin, here are some links to good sites on ponds and pond fishes. It doesn't
matter how big (or not) your pond is, this is all applicable. Your Koi, however,
are going to need bigger digs VERY soon. Spend the $5 at Wal-Mart and get the
biggest kiddie pool you can, those are about 100 gallons. Cover it, the Koi can
jump out easily.
http://www.ponddoc.com/WhatsUpDoc/FishHealth/SpringOutbreak.htm
http://www.blueridgekoi.com/disease_issues.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/koidisfaqs.htm (also search
our goldfish disease FAQs). Here you have a start, the plants are not infected
nor do I believe they can spread this infection. I wish you the very best of
luck, I honestly HATE and LOATHE this disease. Marina>>
New pond... goldfish ailment? 7/30/05
Hello again.
I have another problem. One of my fishes was floating but not dead this
morning. I have isolated it, in a bucket, and on examination it seems to
have a hard black protuberance from its anus. This protuberance is about
10mm long, and the surrounding area of flesh seems very raw, white with red
edges. The fish will swim, but when it stops it tends to float to the
surface, always on the same side. I am very worried and would like some
advise on how to treat this, and whether all the fishes should be treated.
Your rapid response would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Wendy
<... impossible to tell you what is going on from the data presented... I would
(of course) check your water chemistry, change about a quarter of the water,
keep a close eye on your other fish/es... and read... re their care, feeding on
WWM. Bob Fenner>
Re: New pond 7/31/05
Hello again.
<Morning>
I have been reading up on your pages and think that I have identified the
problem as Camallanus worms.
<Mmm, possible>
Anyway, I am in the UK and can not find any
flake fish food with Piperazine. Do you think my diagnosis is correct, and
can you advise me of any online store that I can order from.
<I would look for Praziquantel instead, or products with this in it>
My isolated fish does not look as if he will make it, any suggestions on
immediate first aid would be greatly appreciated.
<... a level teaspoon of Epsom Salt per ten gallons of system volume>
Other fish are still in
the pond, and all appear lively and healthy so far, yet I do realize that
all should be treated.
Your help would be much appreciated.
Wendy
<Bob Fenner>
Hi again.
The world wide web informs me that Praziquantel is not available to the UK.
WHY???
Should I give my vet a ring in the morning!!?
AAAAAGH! with frustration...........
Wendy
<Perhaps. Please read... on WWM re vermifuges, -cides. RMF>
Re: New pond 8/1/05
Thanks for your quick replies.
My sick fish died overnight.
I will search online for food containing Praziquantel as you suggest. Any
recommendations of where to purchase would be much appreciated.
<Try online suppliers of pond goods>
Seems
medicated fish food is not available in pet shops around where I live, I
spent much of yesterday visiting stores, only to be met with blank looks and
unhelpfulness by shop staff. A fish encyclopedia I have gives doses for
treatment with Panacur wormer for horses, powdered form to be dissolved in
the pond. I am considering contacting a veterinarian or farm store if I
cannot find medicated food. Do you think this is wise?
<Mmm, if you're going to this ends... I would take the one dead fish with you
and have it examined... necropsied, to determine if worms are actually
involved...>
What happens to
eggs of Camallanus when the fish are treated via food - wouldn't they be
alive and well in the bottom of the pond, ready to infest when ingested by
another fish?
<Possibly, yes>
And would the eggs be killed if treated with dissolved
Panacur?
<I don't know... and am unfortunately away from printed reference>
I will splash out on a pond testing kit, and also attend to changing some of
the pond water as suggested.
There are several newts living in the weed in my pond, and I have seen frogs
and toads in it from time to time. Can these wild creatures transmit
disease to the fish?
<A possibility, yes, though, not common.>
I have 6 small goldfish left at present BTW. Also,
could any "pond treatment" adversely affect the wildlife- I am sure the
newts eat the fishes food.
<Some could>
Many thanks for your extremely helpful pages.
Wendy
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
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Fungus on Koi... 8/6/05
Hello. I have three Koi with an off-white fungus (I think, after trying to
do some research on what it could be.)
<Actual fungal infections are exceedingly rare... almost all infectious pond
disease is directly related to environmental cause/s>
They do not show any other symptoms. I just completed seven days of treatment
with PimaFix in my 1700 gallon pond.
<Worthless "fixes">
It looks like it may have improved slightly, but the fungus is still there...
on their faces, gill area and fins. Should I repeat another week of PimaFix or
try something else? Thanks for your help!
<Have someone come by and look at your system, fish... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/pdfshdisart.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Outside pond fish... possible Lernaeid 10/21/05
Hi, this is our first time on your web-site, and we have a question.
We have an outdoor fish pond with 4th generation goldfish!
Today I noticed something on one of the fish.
It is gold in color, protruding ( from under his skin)? or sticking out of
his skin, I can't really tell. It looks like a thick wire sticking out.
He doesn't look or act different, eating as normal. I didn't see anything
like this on the other five fish.
Do you think this is some sort of parasite?
<Mmm, possibly... Lernaea... "Anchorworm"...>
What would you suggest we do?
<Mmm... place this/these terms on the WWM, general search engines... read... If
this is the cause/parasite, removing the adults by tweezing, inspecting all
fishes, using a organophosphate to kill intermediates is suggested. Bob Fenner>
Thanks
Donna
Koi
hi
two of my Koi have some type of white almost pimple like spots on their
tails. One Koi only has one spot the other has a few. The rest of the fish
don't have any. All the fish including the ones with the spots are all acting
normal. The water quality is all good, all zero except a little nitrate. I
tried to raise the salt to see if it would do anything, but it has been a
couple weeks. There is no redness around the white areas. It's too large to
bee ick and doesn't look like a fungus. In a few books I read of white blobs
being carp pox,
<Yes, this is likely a virus>
but these don't look greasy and the water is pretty
warm(76-80). If you have any ideas as to what this is and what should be done
help would be appreciated. thanks
<I would add 250 milligrams of tetracycline hydrochloride antibiotic per pound of dry weight pelleted food, shake all in a bag and feed this for the duration of the warm weather... and not worry. Bob Fenner>Koi.... again
Hi
Sorry to be a bother, but can't get much help from locals. I emailed you
before about a Koi that had white pimples on its tail... A few days ago the
same fish developed a bubble like cyst on its side about size of a marble,
the fish is around 23"). The next day it had popped. I'm wondering if this
also has to do with the pox virus.
<Yikes... does sound like this sort of complaint... or Ana aki. Please read through this section and images on our site: http://wetwebmedia.com/holedispnd.htm
and the suggested, tried routes for cures>
Also It looks like a brownish blister on
another area. I bought some wound seal to put on the popped bubble, the thing
is I don't know if I'd be doing more harm than good stressing him to do so.
The fish still eats and acts normally and all other fish are unaffected. If
you could help I promise I'll leave you alone for a week or so....
<Hmm, if your Koi are very valuable you might well want to contact the veterinary services in your area to see if there is someone who works on pond fishes... and will attempt to culture the microbes about the site... this does sound like our old enemy Aeromonas... Read the bit on the WWM site, and we'll be chatting. Bob Fenner>
Re: Koi
wow quick response. I just have a couple more questions. Am I correct to
assume that this will most likely spread? and also Will the symptoms (white
pimple things) always show? thanks
<These "pox" problems generally don't spread (though they can... then are termed "acute" versus chronic)... and generally take a long time (months) to resolve, disappear under treatment. Bob Fenner>
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Argulus (food, pondfish culture, disease control)
Dear D. Fenner Robert,
I am a veterinarian working in State Bank of India biggest Bank
financing agricultural and Aquacultural schemes in
India.
2.Fish farmers raise Major Indian Carps (Catla
catla, Labeo rohita etc.,)
in big freshwater ponds with an extent of 10 acres
to 100 acres Water
spread area. The culture period is 8 - 10 months
-Weight 1-2 Kg each.
To minimize the feed cost and cost of production, our
fish farmers are
using heavy doses of dried poultry droppings organic
manure) to fertilize the
pond waters and for production of Phyto & Zoo
plankton. The demerits of
this practice is too much infection with Argulus (sea
lice). As a result,
farmers are using pesticides
Viz., Deltamethrin (Butox), Dichlorovos (Nuvon)
which are retarding the growth of the fish. Please
enlighten me on the
following two points:
a. whether any effective biological control against
Argulus is available?
<None that is practical as fast as I'm aware... most practices are as yours, involving economic poisons in the class of organophosphates
(acetylcholinesterase inhibitors)... as these crustacean parasites metabolisms are similar to arthropod pests>
b. whether Diflubenzuron/lufenuron (Dimilin) can be
mixed with the
above chemicals to decrease the dosage and
frequency of chemical
application?
<Yes, once again, as far as I'm aware. Dimilin supplanted the use of DTHP (Neguvon,
Dylox...): http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pndparasitcont.htm in ornamental pond use (on cyprinids like Cyprinus carpio
(Koi carp, nishikigoi) and Carassium goeblio (goldfish) in the U.S. some years ago. Should be miscible.>
Please send technical information on the life cycle
and control methods
in big fish ponds.
<I don't have ready access to such, don't even know if this is part of the literature... would have to search as you are>
3.Please help me in the upliftment of fish farmers.
<I will gladly assist you in what ways I can. Understand that though my academic background is in fisheries, I have spent the last decades in ornamental aquatics... not production. Bob Fenner>
Thanking you.
Yours sincerely,
Dr. A. Purna Chandra Rao,
Chief Manager Technical),Region-4,Zonal Office, State
Bank of India,VIJAYAWADA-520 010,A.P; INDIA
e-Mail: ap_purna@yahoo.com ap_purna@rediffmail.com
Ick \ whitespot in large pond.
I am looking for dosage amounts for the use of Penicillin to cure the ick cycle
I have in my pond.
<Penicillin and ich? This antibiotic won't kill the protozoan...>
in the past I have quarantined the fish, and treated the pond with multicure. My pond is 15 foot long, 4 foot wide, 3 foot deep and houses 30 fish (inc
Koi, comets, and fantails) cant seem to find dose amounts,
I have access to multiple antibiotics, please help. also do you have recommendations
for the process etc many thanks in advance, Dale Brown. Australia
<Please read through the Pond Disease sections on our site starting here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/KoiDisArt.htm
following the links, FAQs where they lead you. There is a Google search tool there as well. Bob
Fenner>
"Saddle bags" on goldfish
Dear Robert:
Diagnosis SVP? I have a farm pond ( actually a reservoir) some 300 feet by perhaps another 300 feet with mosquito fish (uncountable) and over 100
goldfish. All have been in the pond for over 7 years. Every once in awhile a gold fish shows up with what I call "saddle bags" on both sides of
the body. The "saddle bags" are very symmetrical, oblong, do not look like tumors, and don't resemble photos of fish with dropsy.
<Interesting>
Over the years I may have had one or two fish each season with "saddle bags". Only one of them died, as far as I can tell; unless a bobcat has fished
for the others. Is this something to worry about? And if so, what is it, what can be done in such a large water hole?
<May be something of concern. Have you had any of the "saddle bag" fish opened, looked at internally?>
I have planted some water-iris in pots and lotus here and there around reservoir perimeter; most of the fish like to cavort around a wooden
staircase I use to get into the water myself to swim with them.
<I would have the fish checked out>
Any help gratefully awaited, from the Shingle Mill Pond residents
<Bob Fenner>
Leeches!
Help! I've just moved into a house with a fairly derelict pond, it has about 3
inches of water in it and is stagnant.. lots of weed. Someone told me that the nasty black
slug like things in it are leeches... is that possible in Milton Keynes?
<Possibly>
And if it is.. how on earth do I get rid of them... I was just going to take as much out as possible
with a bucket and then clean it up but now I'm scared to go near it. Sorry if this sounds
girlie and pathetic.. but your advice would be appreciated.
<Do move what seems like water to a "kiddee wading pool" with a cover (just mesh) and an airstone/airpump... scoop, pump out the muck, refill, treat for chloramine... and move all back in a week or so... w/o feeding livestock in the meanwhile. Bob Fenner>
Thanks, Terry Howard
Pond Deaths
Hi, I'm in need of a grief counselor and pond expert...unfortunately, in
that order!
<Okay, belly up to the bar>
I have a pond, approximately 2700 gallons. Its been up and running for five
years, maybe six. I have (had) about 20 Koi and a few Rockets, most about
five to six years old.
Two nights ago one of my big German Koi was dead. I pulled him out and there
were no signs of an animal attack, no missing scales, no pooched out gills,
mouth eyeballs, nothing...body wasn't bloated.
Following day I saw one of my other big-boys sort of listless and up close I
could see white junk on his scales...not fuzzy like cotton woolly and not
stringy, squiggly like worms, just sort of breaks in the color pattern.
<Yikes>
They are all not eating much. Today six more were dead including two recent
additions to the pond, about 8" white Koi I got from PetCo.
<Bingo... the transmitter... should have kept this fish isolated on purchase...>
I didn't quarantine them before introducing them to the pond. I've had great
success with the original boys and the newer additions over the years didn't
bring anything bad... I got lazy and complacent and am paying the price.
<Yes, unfortunately>
I have cleaned and back-flushed my filters and taken the pond down a few
hundred gallons and added Melafix to the water. I then brought the water
level back up and repeated this treatment yesterday and today.
Any suggestions as to my fishes afflictions and possible other treatments
would be greatly appreciated.
Paul Harford
Benicia, California
<What you likely are encountering is a protozoan infestation like Costia... there are a few courses of action to consider... formalizing (treating with formalin or formaldehyde) or a strong oxidizer like permanganate... dangerous... will kill all beneficial microbes including nitrifiers... or perhaps just a salt treatment (ten pounds per thousand gallons... put in over three days time (not all at once) and whatever else you can do to effect "good water quality"... and a self-cure of sorts. Going forward, ALL new livestock should be quarantined (of course for a couple of weeks)... Do utilize test kits for checking how your water quality is going through this treatment process... Bob Fenner>Re: Pond Deaths
Thanks...
I read around on your site after sending the email and saw the article on
furnuf!/~#8^=@?)ocluos and recall seeing a 'bare spot' a little roughed up,
not bloody on a few of the casualties yesterday, but I do have stones and
plant stands in the pond and when the fish are frisky they do splash
around...
<Good point... these markings could have little primary bacterial involvement...>
I'm going to go back to basics and get the water tested and hope for the
best.
<Good move>
No more short cuts,
Paul in Benicia
<Good luck, life my friend. Keep us informed as to your progress. Bob Fenner>
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Possible anchor worms and CopperSafe
First, I'd like to tell you that your site is fantastic, the best fish site I've come across, and I've looked at a few.
I think I'm having a problem with anchor worm.
<Sometimes difficult to eradicate once established.>
I have three tanks-one 20 gallon with four (used to be six) very large ex-feeder goldfish which is always cloudy, yet the ammonia and nitrites/ates are nil and the pH is 6.5 or so. One tank is 55gallons with two big
Koi, three channel cats (two big), and seven goldfish of varying size (two of which came from the 20 g tank). The other tank is 15 gallons with three very small fancy goldfish (the ones with the big bellies and the forked tail fin) and a
Pleco which also came from the 20 g tank. Two days ago, I noticed a goldfish in the 55g had a bump on his skin with a white wormy thing sticking out.
<Does sound like a Lernaeid...>
Then I saw that a goldfish in the 20g tank had two red raised spots with white stuff on him (the scales were missing from the spots) and one with a veiltail has red near the ends of his tail fin. The
Pleco in the 15g has had his fins clamped and won't eat very much, and I think I saw some white stuff on his mouth. He doesn't come out much, it's hard to see what's going on. These tanks are all well established and have the same water chem,
i.e. no ammonia, no nitrates, and 6.5 or so pH. The water in the 55g is crystal clear, and a little bit cloudy in the 15g. They're well established, I do water changes every week, and I don't understand why they should all of a sudden all get sick. The
transferred fish have been in their new tanks for at least 2 1/2 weeks. I started using CopperSafe, and it made all these little red worms come out in the 20g tank, and white worms in the other 2.
<The copper won't "get" the intermediate stages... you'll poison the fish stock before the treatment can be completed...>
No noticed improvement in the fishes' conditions. How long does this stuff take to work? What can I expect? Do I have to treat for secondary bacterial infection?
<Good questions. Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm
You need to seek out a source of this pesticide, follow the directions that come with it, or the ones posted here>
I apologize for the length, but I really don't want my fish to die and you really seem to know what you're doing.
Thanks in advance.
Pati
<No worries. Do contact me if this is unclear, incomplete. This is an easy problem to fix, given the active ingredient... and cautious use. Bob Fenner>
Re: HELP!!! Comets Sick & Dying!
Hi... I have a very active ornamental pond in our back yard. We
had a gruesome winter and we over wintered about 16 comets. The pond
is about 600 gallons. We used a heater to allow gases to
escape. We had a few days of really warm weather a few weeks ago and
then cold at night and then snow and now warm again...
<Geez… sounds like the winter we’ve had here!>
I have lost 4 fish during this time and have 4 more that are sick...They are
developing a white fuzzy ring around their tail where it meets their body -
eventually they stay near the top and then bye-bye. I have changed 25% of the
water and used something for fungus that a pond store gave me (small bottle of
yellow powder) and have now done the second treatment...
<Hmm… it does indeed sound like a fungus of some sort. Check out http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwfshparasites.htm
and also http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/pdfshdisart.htm
and the related FAQ’s. You should be able to find more info there.>
I do not think I am doing the right stuff...Any ideas would be really helpful!
Thanks, Ellen Shepard
<You're welcome! Ronni>
Bumps on Fish
Hello,
<Hi>
We have a fan tailed goldfish that has for the last month been producing large,
pimple like balls (coming from under the scales) on its eye, side and around its
anal fin. Each time these bumps appear, about a day later they seem
to somehow be pushed out or fall off? The fish does not seem unhealthy in
behavior and all the other fish seem normal. Could you tell us what
this is and what to do about it? Is there a cure or concern, it is on
about its 6th bump? Thanks, Charles and Tricia
<Check out http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwfshparasites.htm
to see if any of the descriptions fit what your fish has. Treat according to the
recommendations given there. Ronni>
Leeches
Dear Sirs:
<Just PF will do for me, calling me sir still makes me feel old. >
We have a one acre pond in upstate New York. It was formerly a cattle
pond, which was half the size when we purchased the property. When we
enlarged the pond, we had it dredged and scraped, and it refilled naturally from
small springs and rainwater. We had a problem with algae, and treated
it successfully with copper sulfate for several years, but then that became
ineffective. We then stocked the pond with neutered carp, and
luckily, the pond has been algae free since then. However, a new
problem has developed. We now have leeches, which certainly
discourages our grandchildren from swimming in the pond. We've read
that copper sulphate is the only way to rid the pond of these pests.
Do you know of any other antidote to leeches, and if not, do you know where we
can buy copper sulfate? It is no longer available in New York State.
Thank you for your attention.
Yours truly,
A. Pearlman
<First off, yikes! Can't get that picture from the African Queen out of my
head. Reading over the FAQs, I saw Bob mentioned using Chloramine to treat for
leeches. That was for a much smaller pond though, and I don't know dosages, nor
how long it would linger in the environment, let alone if it's legal or not to
use (same thing with copper sulfate). Here's the page on pond parasites, http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm
.
Have you tried contacting the fish and game department, or the biology
department of any local colleges or universities? They might have ideas. I'm not
sure about biological controls, since I'm not that familiar with leeches and
what might eat them. Giving it some thought, the common bream or sunfish might
eat them. As for locating copper sulfate, I would recommend doing a Google
search (http://www.google.com )and looking
for a supplier that way. Best of luck, and I hope you find a solution soon,
PF>
Bloody, shredded tails on pond fish
>I have a 1200 gal. pond with approx 15 goldfish and Shubunkins. Six of
these are from 6" to 8", the rest are from 2" to 4" long.
About five days ago I noticed my largest fish had blood in his tail. Some of the
other large ones had shredded tails, one looked like he had a cotton ball on the
tip of his tail. The smaller ones seemed okay. I ran a garden hose in the pond
and let it overflow for a couple of hours. This should have changed at least 25%
of
the water. I have treated with Melafix for four days. I have also been feeding
Tetra medicated food for bacterial and fungal disease. The fish do not look any
better. Some of the smaller ones have now started to develop the problem. They
all have good appetites still. An ammonia test was okay.
>>Please accept my apologies for being so late, I've been battling some
computer issues. This sounds like a bacterial infection to me,
commonly experienced in overcrowded or polluted conditions. Please
see this link --> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwfshparasites.htm
for treatment. When I can restore some of my medication charts on
this box I will try to get them posted, in the meantime, I believe Furazone or
similar would be a better way to go. It will DESTROY all nitrifying
bacteria, so ammonia poisoning must be addressed with frequent, large water
changes.
>About one month ago my pump quit (probably for 12 hours). We had to pull the
filter out in order to fix the pump. It sat out of the water for about an hour.
>>This, on its own, should *not* have created a problem unless your system
was "on the edge".
>The water was clear before this happened, but is now green.
>>A release of excess nutrients, plus a die-off of nitrifying bacteria
most likely.
>It is not so bad that you can't see into the pond. The pond has a good
amount of bog and submersible plants and some trapdoor snails. I have had this
same setup for several years without any problems.
>>Then I take back the overcrowding comment, unless your fish have been
doing what mine have and spawning like crazy. We just had a large
die-off of most of the fry from this year--to be expected, though, especially
with little in the way of maintenance being performed.
>The pond is drained down every fall in order to catch the fish to bring them
in for the winter. It is drained again and cleaned in the spring about one month
before the fish go back out.
>>Aahh.. the joys of living in Southern California (sorry, can't recollect
our zone!).
>They have been out since the middle of May and were quite healthy until now. What
else can I do to correct this problem?
>>Do read the link, and also try searching our site's goldfish FAQ's, as I
may have missed something. More water changes might be in order as
well, just in case. You may need to thin out the herd, so to speak,
though in my opinion having good plantings helps tremendously. Do
hope this helps, and again, accept my apologies for being so late to respond. Marina
Goldfish with black patches
Hi, my name is Wynand
<Hi Wynand, this is Sabrina>
I have a pond with 10 goldfish in it, have had the goldfish for about 8 months.
All was going well till last week when simultaneously all of them started to get
what looks like black patches all over their bodies, and it seems to be under
the scales. I have already contacted 5 pet shops and none of them have a clue as
to what the problem is or how therefore, to treat it. The pond has a small
waterfall; the water is changed once every 6 weeks; the fish are fed once a day
with goldfish pellets; there is no sand in the pond only a few rocks. The fish
are not acting abnormally.
<This sounds to me like fish pox (also often referred to as goldfish pox,
carp pox, and Koi pox). This viral disease usually affects goldfish
and Koi in ponds (can be seen on other fish from time to time as
well). Usually it will start out as white to pinkish lumps, that look
rather like melted wax. As it progresses, the lumps turn
darker. Please do take a look here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/gldfshdisfaqs.htm
- very near the bottom, you'll find a picture of a red and white fantail
goldfish with this ailment to compare with what you're seeing on your fish.>
Have you got any idea as to what this is and how I can easily treat it? ( I come
from Zimbabwe and we don't have much of the fancy fish medication available to
us).
<Well, unfortunately, there is no remedy for this. However, it can
be rather easily controlled, sometimes eliminated, with maintaining excellent
water quality. Please test your pond water for ammonia, nitrite,
nitrate, and pH - you'll probably end up needing to do water changes more often
to keep this illness controlled. Hope all goes
well. -Sabrina>
Please help Thanks!
Large Koi sudden problem. help!
My husband is out-of-town on business and I have been entrusted with the care of his three
Koi. They reside in a 280 gallon insulated pool on a deck 20 feet in the air. They are well protected from elements and predators. The largest two
Koi have suddenly begun behaving strangely and I have been unable to locate a reference to their exact behavior on-line. Odie is about 19-20 inches and four years old, Laz is about 14 inches long and as old. The baby is only 5 inches and has only joined them about a month ago. I have tested, ammonia, Ph and salt. All are great. The nitrites were a little high about a week ago so over the last week I did a ¼ water exchange several days apart adding appropriate salt and stress coat each time... then tested salt and nitrites again. They are suddenly changing swim direction and flashing their bellies as they do. Odie is also floating vertically with his mouth about an inch below the water surface. He is not gasping or breaking surface. Dorsal fins are clenched on both fish. Biofilter system. Intact at bottom of pool opposite end of water return. They have thrived in their environment until recently. The only thing I changed prior to this problem was to add two new water plants this month... and the new addition of the little guy. He is doing great. Can you advise me of what to check next. Should I test nitrates as well as nitrites? I don't want to loose my husband's huge fish... help.
< Service the filter and make sure everything is working. Then look at the fish closely for little white dots on the fins. If you see some then the ich parasite is attacking the skin of the fish as well as the gills. They need to be treated. I recommend Rid-ich by Kordon as per the recommendations on the bottle. I suspect the new guy brought it in with him. Even though he may not show signs of the disease he can still be a carrier. -Chuck>
Sick Koi
Hello Bob,
I hope you can help me with this,
My Koi fish is losing it's scales, I haven't noticed any change on it's fins,
those are normal,
although its breathing heavily, today he is at times at the bottom of the tank,
barely moving,
just occasionally, he won't even come up to eat, I have two other fish in the
tank, a 25 gal. tank,
a Japanese Koi and a Comet, which are fine. I don't know why is this happening.
Thanks, Miguel Garoz
<How long have you had this fish? How large is it and the other fish in this
tank? You do have filtration, aeration of some sort? Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Koi
Bob,
I've had this fish for about one week, it's 1.5 inch long, same for the Japanese
Koi, and the comet is 'bout 1 inch long, I have a powerhead with a QuickFilter
attached to it, which is under where the sick fish hides, I also have a 100w
heater, the tank's temperature is at 77 F. Thanx again
<Good info... It is likely the one fish is infested with one or more possible
parasites... and these will very likely spread to your other fishes. Indeed the
entire system needs to be treated. I encourage you to seek out what your local
stores stock in the way of fish med.s that include the compound Neguvon, Trichlorofon,
Masoten... these are all the same compounds. I would do this soon. Bob
Fenner>
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All my pond fish have open sores
Hello,
I have a 95 gallon in-ground pond that has been running for the second year.
All of my fish, seven 4" comets and one 7" calico goldfish have developed a
severe case of open sores.
<This is very bad...>
Reading some disease facts on your site, I
believe they have Furunculosis.
<Me too... or some extreme environmental insult>
These are the same fish I had last year
with no problems. I have been told by my LFS to use Pond Melafix to treat
the pond.
<Ehhh... what?>
After 4 days of usage I have not seen any improvement in the
sores. I am at a loss of what to do next. My questions are if I should do
any of the following: Should I continue this treatment, try some other med,
do a large water change, add salt?
<Please review the article on Furunculosis... if all fishes are affected I would
encourage you to commence a regimen of antibiotic laced food/s>
I would appreciate any help you could give me as the situation looks severe.
Background
Early this year, I added a bio filter to the existing bubbler pump to help
filtration and a trickling flagstone rock waterfall. The water has been
clear, which I contribute to the filtering abilities of the thriving water
hyacinth, lettuce, and a water Lily. I have not been in the practice,
however, of testing the water as I did not for the first year which was very
successful. The same has held true for this year except for the open sores
in the fish. I perform a 15 gallon water change about every month.
Feeding is once a day without overfeeding where the fish are always eager
and active to eat. Circulation and oxygenation is very adequate. I have
used the Micro Lift product two times, once in the early spring, and once
about 1 month later. Temperatures, as of first noticing the disease, have
been low in the upper 50's to high in the mid 70s.
Thanks,
Glenn Koenig
<Do you have a sophisticated store where you might take some of your fish for
their inspection? Are the sores emarginated? That is, do they have an obvious
reddish zone about the openings? Bob Fenner>
Koi Problems
Hello, I am hoping someone could help me. I am a new tank owner. It was
passed down so I am not very knowledgeable about all this. I have a mini Koi and
it has a small white dot on the fin it almost looks like a pimple and it has a
red dot and a vein around that. I have been on the web trying to figure out what
it is and also how to get rid of it... In the past I have captured the fish and
rubbed it off but then a few days later the fish has another one in a different
spot. Do I need to quarantine the fish?? Also I just recently started to put
salt in the water, could this be it?? I am so confused about this?? Where did it
come from?? I hope that you can help me.
Thank you and my fish thanks you too.
Jodi
<Hi Jodi, Don here. You are describing two different problems. The white spot is
Ick, a parasite. Salt is the very best treatment, so it's OK that you added it.
Please read here for the proper use of salt to treat ick.
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/showquestion.php?faq=2&fldAuto=32 The red
streak is bacterial hemorrhagic septicemia. Usually caused by poor water
conditions. Do several water changes a week to get things cleaned up. Use a
gravel vac to remove uneaten food and poop. If he gets worse treat with
Oxytetracycline. Do not treat until the water is pristine. Good luck>
Copepod or parasite on Calico Ryukin
Great website and FAQ section, folks!
<Thank you>
I recently picked up a gorgeous calico Ryukin for my newly setup
goldfish
tank. After many years of tropical freshwater and marine setups, I'm
back
to my first love, goldfish!
<Ah, outstanding... one of my fave petfish statements is: "Most people
start with goldfish, and if they live long enough, well enough (go
through cichlids, exotics, marine...) they end up back with goldfish">
Three 3-inch goldies in a 60 gallon at the
moment. Bio-bed still being established and there's a dual mechanical
filtration setup (undergravel plus over tank).
<Some folks would encourage getting rid of the UG>
The calico looks and acts fine. No stress whatsoever. So it was with a
bit
of surprise that I noticed this 1-2 mm nearly invisible creature on it's
caudal tail. I'm surprised I missed it while examining the fishy. Mind
you, the calico is multi-colored so it was a challenge.
<Neat, and good pic>
With a tweezers, a Q-tip, bowl of aquarium water and shaky hands, I was
able
to scrape this little baddie of the tail and take a pic of it (Ahhh...the
wonders of a digital camera!). Any idea what I'm dealing with here?
(pic
attached) The calico's two other companions (a feisty black moor and a
dopey lionhead) are just fine and dandy. Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Ted
<Yes... is actually a Branchiuran, genus Argulus, a "fish louse"...
Please place these terms in your search tools... and look for a DTHP or
Dimilin based treatment (there are other, acetylcholinesterase
inhibitor/insecticides as well) to take out the less than adult
parasitic forms that are likely now in your system. Bob Fenner>
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Re: Copepod or parasite on Calico Ryukin
Thank you for the prompt reply.
<Welcome>
After much research regarding your alternatives, I will look into
getting my
hands on some Dimilin (otherwise known as Diflubenzuron, as I just
learned!)
<Yes>
as it is the only one that will not affect my bio filter. Apparently,
DTHP
(otherwise known as Dylox, D50, Dipterex, Masoten, Trichlorofon,
Foschlor or
Neguvon) does affect the bio bed; not a good thing in my eyes for entire
tank treatments.
<Mmm, DTHP is about as efficacious as Dimilin in regard to
nitrification>
A very interesting piece of tidbit I've learned from my research. Some
people swear by the use of Tin-Foil Barbs as a way to control fish
lice.
<Interesting... had not heard this before>
Yes, it is a myth to others, but some of the posts I've seen appear to
back
up this claim. Obviously, it would work in ponds for 12" Koi, but I'm
curious as to what would happen if I plopped in a small barb in my tank
with
my 3-4" goldies? Might be worth exploring.
<Mmm, their mouths are quite small...>
One more question. Your initial reply mentioned that some folks would
discourage against the use of an UG filter. Why would that be?
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/ug5proscons.htm
and the linked files (in blue, above)>
I see it as
a way to have a primary mechanical filter (in addition to the tank
mounted
one) and with a powerhead, there is aerobic activity (to foster the bio
filter) as opposed to anaerobic activity (very very bad) with no water
flow
through the gravel. We all agree goldies are messy. Detritus will end
up
in the gravel no matter what. But at least with an UG filter, aerobic
activity can take place.
<Trouble... in regards to reductive nature principally here, though
TBC's are elevated as well, with concomitant metabolite challenges.>
Thanks for your valuable advice, once again! Even a vet like me can
always
learn more. :)
Ted
<Ah, good. Bob Fenner> |
Pondfish, ich, temperature
Robert,
<Michael>
I have a 650 gallon pond with mechanical and biological filtration
system. My two 14" Koi and several fan tail goldfish have ICH parasite.
What do you recommend using to eradicate the parasite? Pond temp. is 60
degrees. Thanks
Michael R. Graham
<Mmm, if they are in otherwise good health, a simple solution of Malachite
Green... made by quite a few companies... and labeled variously. Note to others,
I would NOT do this if the temperature were lower, but instead wait till the
weather warmed OR I could bring these fish "indoors" to conditions where both
temperature AND water chemistry could be monitored. Re this last, do be careful
to monitor ammonia concentration, lest the treatment suspend or destroy your
nitrifying bacteria. Bob Fenner>
Gill Flukes and the Like
Hi, I have an 8ft Dia by approx 30" deep pond and its approx 2 years old.
the question is that every year I have had problems with the fish
flicking and scraping on the bottom of the pond (where there is some
gravel from the lily's) I have been told this is probably gill flukes
<Maybe... a likely possibility>
and treated in year 1 with an antibacterial solution
<Mmm, flukes are trematodes... a type of flatworm... not bacteria>
over several
days treating on days 1,3,5,8 and 10. Due to the cold weather (below
10c)I had to continue this for 3 weeks to eliminate the flukes at all
stages of the life cycle. But it seemed to work.
<Likely they just "cycled out" on their own... to return next season...>
This year the flukes arrived later in Nov04 and I treated them the
same but only for a week...no good came back in Dec04...Treated at a
slightly higher dosage for another week before Christmas (when I went
away for a few days)... when I came back the fish looked
fine. although the temp had dropped. and show no signs of
flicking...do you think this infection will return on the temp rising
?? can I stop this repeat infection every Oct/Nov ??
<Likely yes>
I have 9 fish 2 x Koi, 2 x Ghost Koi, 2 x Goldfish and 2
Shubunkins...the Koi are now about 12-14" long and one was once
scooped out by a fox cub left on the side of the pond but I managed to
save him and he recovered well after a few hours in the hospital
tank...
<Neat!>
I don't want to lose any of them to disease and hate to see them
suffer...they give me so much pleasure in the summer
months...Thx...Richard
<Richard, there are some simple, relatively non-toxic means to stop these
infestations once and for all. They involve the use of "economic poisons" whose
designated use is for ridding terrestrial arthropods... Dimilin and Masoten
(occur under many other generic names) are either of what you want to
secure/use. Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm
and the linked files above, in blue. Bob Fenner>
Spring is in the Air - Watch Your Pond Fish
>Hi Crew
>>Hello.
>I have a small garden pond with six goldfish. I have recently cleared it out after the winter and there were a lot of rotten leaves on the bottom. Five of the goldfish were very healthy but the sixth appeared with most of its head eaten away with fluffy strands coming from the opening.
>>This is the beginning of the Furunculosis season, and the ulcers can allow fungal infections to set as well. You need to watch all your fish closely now, and be ready with salt and
Nitrofurazone. Also, search our site on these issues.
>It was in a dreadful state and had to be put down.
>>Indeed, I am all too familiar with this awful condition.
>Can you tell me what it was and will it spread to the other fish.
>>Furunculosis (ulcerations) is VERY contagious, and very difficult to treat. If you have pond plants you will not be able to treat the fish in situ (I wouldn't recommend it anyway). Kiddie pools work well in these instances. Again, do search our site, as well as general Google, search for pond societies/websites, etc., as they're geared towards handling these troubles quite specifically.
>The pond is well aerated with a small waterfall and I have removed all the leaf debris from the bottom now.
>>Take care when doing this, as you can open up any anaerobic areas which will quickly suffocate the fish.
>Many thanks, Terry
>>Marina
Tumor-like growth on pond goldfish
I have a beautiful fan-tailed goldfish in my small pond that has had a strange elongated tumor-like growth on its side for a year or more. It
keeps growing as the fish has. The fish appears to be healthy and vigorous in every other way, none of the other fish have this and the
pond is healthy and balanced. What might this be and is there any treatment for
it?
Carol Payne
<Not much that can be done with such growths... some folks have tried, or had Vets do surgeries to remove... sometimes, as with human virally mediated growths these just spontaneously remit...
Bob Fenner>
Bubble type bumps on goldfish in a pond
I have an out side pond with Gold Fish and when I opened the pond after a
winters spell, I noticed some bubble type bumps mostly on the Gold Fish
heads. They seem to be in great shape other than this problem. I have had them
for 4 years now and are very large.
I also have some Koi in with them as well as a large Catfish. But they do not
have anything wrong with them.
Can you tell me what these bubble type bumps are. On one fish there is a string
of bubble bumps.
<Mmm, may be that these bumps are "pre-nuptial tubercles"... natural growths
that occur on male goldfish during spawning season... if they don't seem to be
mal-affecting them, I would not be concerned, and just continue with your
post-winter Spring clean-up and maintenance routine. Bob Fenner>
Outside pond fish... possible Lernaeid 10/21/05 <Sabrina, should
we post this to the FW goldfish FAQs as well?<<I sure think so. Likely will go into Koi, Pond Fish Disease,
Goldfish Disease, and Crustacean Parasitic Diseases. SCF>>
Hi, this is our first time on your web-site, and we have a question.
We have an outdoor fish pond with 4th generation goldfish!
Today I noticed something on one of the fish.
It is gold in color, protruding ( from under his skin)? or sticking out of his skin, I can't really tell. It looks like a thick wire sticking out.
He doesn't look or act different, eating as normal. I didn't see anything like this on the other five fish.
Do you think this is some sort of parasite?
<Mmm, possibly... Lernaea... "Anchorworm"...>
What would you suggest we do?
<Mmm... place this/these terms on the WWM, general search engines... read... If
this is the cause/parasite, removing the adults by tweezing, inspecting all
fishes, using a organophosphate to kill intermediates is suggested. Bob Fenner>
Thanks
Donna
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