Brooklynella 12/28/05
To the WWM Crew
<Flávio>
In a small, 20 Lts., quarantine tank I have a clownfish probably with
Brooklynella. He arrived 4 days ago.
<Am sure you're beginning to appreciate the value of captive produced clowns
versus wild-collected...>
Don't eat, is in a tank corner, breathing rapidly and has some kind of whitish
coat extending from the dorsal fin to the medium and lateral part of the body.
He has also three or four white spots on the frontal part.
<All indicative>
Today I added Coppersafe, one cupful as the manufacturer indicates.
In the meantime I read your advice about Brooklynella and dips in formalin ( 15
to 30 minutes with 1ml (20 drops) for 4 Ltr of salt water, as you state).
<Yes... if Brooklynellosis, copper will not cure it>
My question is if I can put some formalin in the quarantine tank in order to
treat the possible occurrence of the two diseases. How much formalin could I put
there. 2 drops?
Thanks in advance
Flávio
<I would not place formalin in your quarantine system if you can treat
otherwise... instead I would run a dip/bath and move the animal to a newly
cleaned/sterilized system to avoid cross-contamination. Please see WWM re
Formalin use,
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/formalinart.htm, Brooklynella.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/brooklynellosisart.htm
Bob Fenner>
Brooklynella?
12/9/05
Hello,
<Hi Mark.>
I have two tomato clowns who are very active with there mate anemone. Just recently my wife and I have noticed a white, almost greasy like substance on
their bodies. They are showing no signs of "illness" or lethargy.
<Mmm, hard to say without a picture but from your description sounds like Brooklynella. It’s quite common on wild-caught anemone fish. See here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/brooklynellosisart.htm. If what your fish have is indeed Brooklynella they will need to be moved to a quarantine tank to treat them. In fact any fish other fish in the display will also need to be moved into the quarantine as this is a direct transmission parasite. The display tank needs to run empty for 4 weeks minimum. For
Brooklynella the most effective treatment in my experience is pH adjusted freshwater dips and saltwater/formalin baths. These procedures can be found here at WWM also. Though I digress, first and
foremost I would identify what this is on your specimen before going forward with nay treatment/actions.>
They eat as they always do and love being in their anemone.
<<This does not sound like Brooklynellosis, as this disease kills too
quickly. Marina>>
<Keep feeding a varied diet.>
Contents of our 90gal. high sump tank. 40#'s live rock, 2 yellow belly damsels, 1 green
Chromis, 1 cherry pseudo, 1 medium yellow tang, 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 blood shrimp, 1 coral banded shrimp, 1 brain coral, 1 sm. colony rock,
blue mushroom coral, 1 button pearl coral, 2 large snails, 5 scarlet crabs, 4 turbo snails and 1 blue knuckle crab.
Diet consists of frozen brine
<I would like you to ahead and cut the brine from the diet, its not very nutritious at all, switch to a more varied diet, i.e.
Mysis,
Prime Reef, rotifers, squid and other meats of a marine origin, also consider a nutritional supplement such as Selcon or Zoe.>
flake Spirulina and krill once in a while. Water changes weekly and a min. 25% change once a month.
<10% weekly would be much better.>
We utilize an Excalibur protein skimmer. I would appreciate any feedback that would help.
<I hope it has helped.>
Thank you, Mark
<Welcome, Adam J.>
Brooklynella 11-29-05
Hi guys,
<Hello>
I am really desperate for an answer regarding disease. I have had 2 Percula Clowns in the tank for about 2 months now and they seem to have
suddenly erupted in a fungus/parasitic infection. The white stripes are flaking and turning grey, and there are a combination of white bumps and
white spots descending over the gill area. I have read many FAQs on
Clownfish disease/disease but have a dilemma; I am going to place the two clowns into QT for treatment, however there is no way that I can include the
other fish, due to territoriality and restriction of volume.
These are: 2 X Green Chromis, 1 X Andaman Damselfish and 1 X Royal Gramma. Could I please
add that these fish are showing no signs or symptoms and are as full of vigor as ever. My question is, would it be too risky to QT the clowns but
simply observe the others for a change in condition?
<Yes, the other fish will be carriers if they don't die and will infect the clowns when they come back. Use plenty of hiding spots in the QT and you can even use buckets to QT if
necessary.>
Secondly, tiny (about half a millimeter) clear sacs containing what look like eggs are sporadically
stuck to the inside glass. I believed these to be Nerites eggs but am now wishing to know if they are perhaps parasites or spores etc.
<Most likely snail eggs. Nothing to worry about.>
Many, many thanks in anticipation of any help offered. Steve Morse.
<Glad to help, Travis>
Brooklynella or ICH? Treat for both... 9/19.5/05
Was wondering if you could help me ID This...
I don't want to let this destroy my tomato clowns but some say ich and
one says Brooklynella but I want to be sure and treat it right and
quick
photos are here: www.fearstyle.com/photography/wtf/ they are a tad
large and first stab photographing with a macro lens its hard to
keep a moving subject in focus :(
- Scott
<Well Scott, the easiest thing to do is treat for both. Your pictures
were a little too blurry for me to make a definitive diagnosis, but it
is easy enough to deal with both possibilities. I would give the fish a
formalin bath on its way into a quarantine tank where it is followed up
with a hyposalinity treatment. -Steven Pro (a blast from the past at
MACNA).> |
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Battling Brooklynella!
Hello,
<Hi there! Scott F. here today!>
I'm so friggin' depressed. I'll try to be succinct. I recently purchased three
clowns labeled by the LFS as "Perculas." My assumption was that they were "true"
Perculas. Subsequent research leads me to believe that they were "false"
Perculas. Anyhoo, one by one over the course of about 5 days, all three showed
symptoms of Brooklynella. One died within a day.
<Yikes! Sorry to hear that.>
I frantically scoured the Internet and polled the LFS' for info on what to do
about it. Got a lot of different answers and possible solutions and ended up
attempting a freshwater dip on the two living fish. Both died within about an
hour of being returned to the main tank.
<Freshwater dips may assist in curing the fish, but they are not a "cure" in and
of themselves. As far as the fish fading as a result of the dip- it is entirely
possible, because the fish were severely stressed out to begin with.>
I got one replacement false percula. I tried to quarantine him/her/it, but was
having some problems with the QT and rather than watch the little guy/gal/thing
die in there, I put him in the main tank.
<Uh-Oh...>
He has been doing very well for the past two weeks, and looked great up until
yesterday when he started exhibiting the same initial symptom as his
predecessors: cloudy eyes. In the other fish, this lead to stringy white poop, a
tendency for the afflicted fish to hang in the current from the powerhead, then
death. After my "cure" killed the two other fish, I'm
kind of afraid to try anything else, i.e. quarantine, freshwater dip, treatment
with formalin, etc. I know I should have quarantined in the first place. I know.
My question is, what should I do now? Tank info, if you need it, is: 150 gallon
reef tank, about 10 months old. My husband set it up, so I can't say much about
the filtration other than it's got a refugium with Chaetomorpha in it, and a
skimmer. Sorry. Other occupants are
1 Sailfin Tang, 1 Lemonpeel Angel, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Coral Banded Shrimp, 1
Cleaner Shrimp, snails and hermit crabs. All the other occupants show no signs
of distress.
Thanks so much, Nicole
<Well, Nicole, this is certainly something that needs to be addressed, and
quickly! As you know, this is an extremely virulent disease. "Conventional"
treatment methodologies include the previously-attempted freshwater dip (do read
up on the techniques of FW dips right here on the WWM site), followed by
treatment (in a separate tank, of course) with Formalin at the dose of 1 drop
per each liter of water. Formalin is extremely toxic to invertebrates, so under
no circumstances should you administer it in your display tank. In addition to
treating the Clown, you really need to observe the other fishes carefully, as
they may certainly become infected. The possibility exists that you may have to
remove the other fishes for observation and treatment. Do read up on this
disease and its treatment here on the WWM site and you'll find some very concise
information! Best of luck to you! Regards, Scott F.>
Clownfish nodules related to Brooklynella?
Hello there!
I recently moved my pair of 3/4" ORA tank-raised Ocellaris out of their three-week quarantine and into my tank. They did not appear to
be afflicted with anything, and ate just fine previously.
My question really only pertains to one of the clowns, the one that is developing larger white nodules. By nodules, I mean what seem to be
larger, semi-translucent fluid-filled sacs, anywhere from 1mm-4mm in diameter. The nodules seem to stick to her (the larger clown) at
certain areas, but most prominently the gill covers and tail fin. They are occasionally found elsewhere also. The fish is fine as far
as activity goes, and eats like a pig. Are these nodules in any way related to Brooklynella?
<Don't think so... have battled with this protozoan, dissected many clowns...>
I'm simply afraid that although they are the only two fish in the system, that I
may have moved them through my quarantine procedure without being cautious enough. Can you help me?
<A bit at least... I strongly suspect this is NOT a pathogenic reaction... the folks at ORA would not have such in their systems...>
Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put in to answer the questions that fellow
hobbyists such as myself have.
Quentin D.
<I wish I could tell you more... is very strange that only one of the two is affected... I do hope the blistering will fade of its own accord. Bob Fenner>
Frequency of Brook Treatment
Please help! We are researching and researching and can't seem to find a
unified answer. How often do we do the formalin dips? Can we do them every day
or must we stick to the every other day?
<Can be done daily if the specimen/s are in otherwise good health>
We have a clown that has Brooklynella and would hate to lose her...she actually
ate yesterday a little while after a dip, but today is hovering at the top
again. Do we have to wait until tomorrow to dip or can we do it again
today? Thank you so much for your help!
<Mmm, are you returning this fish to the same infested system? Please read here
re the causative organism of this disease:
http://wetwebmedia.com/brooklynellosisart.htm
and the related FAQs files (linked, in blue, at top). Bob Fenner>
Clown Going Down? (Brooklynella?)
I have an ailing/recovering clownfish. I have been reading through some of
the FAQ's. I am having a terrible time distinguishing velvet from Brooklynella
from ich. First, here is a ROUGH timeline of what I have been going through.
About a month ago
Purchased two small (1in.) percula clownfish and a rose anemone from LFS for
cycled 10 gal. fish tank
One clown defended the anemone from the other after a day or two.
Talked to LFS, they told me I could return the outcast clown with slight hopes
of ending up with a mated pair.
When I took the clown out, it looked like it had a slimy film on it that I could
peel off.
Sounds a lot like Brooklynella's external symptoms>
I took it to the store and they told me that it was probably low ph and gave me
another. (found out yesterday that the clown died in the bag while they floated
it)
<No surprise there, if we're talking about this disease. It is nasty!>
(Some time here, I did some research and decided that I needed a larger tank to
do a reef setup. I bought a 45 gal. and started piling in the rock here and
there along with three Chromis damsels to cycle it.)
I took the new clown home and floated it. It was love at first sight. Or so it
seemed to me.
A little over a week ago...
It was doing fine for a week or so and then it developed the slimy film. I
started researching the ailment and can't determine if it is velvet, ich or
Brooklynella. I did immediately start FW dips (only for a min or two as this was
the first time frame I read about). Keep in mind that the first clown never
showed (and still doesn't show) any sign of any problems.
<Well, a fish infected with Amyloodinium ("Velvet") will usually
patches of discoloration where the tissues have been liquefied. The affected
fish will also display difficulty breathing, lack of appetite, and general
listlessness. The "slime" that you have described sounds more to me
like Brooklynella. Fishes infected with this disease seem to slough off large
quantities of mucus, and display similar lack of feeding, listlessness, etc.
They will often "hang" in the current.>
The larger tanks numbers went fine quite soon with the LR and wet/dry filter.
The ailing Clownfish's tail started having problems (disappearing) so I took the
good clown and the anemone out and put them in the 45) I was afraid that the
healthier appearing clown was picking on it or that it would contract the
illness. I realize now that this was probably not the best thing to do
especially since I added a coral beauty and a bicolor blenny to the larger tank.
<You really need to develop a quarantine procedure and stick to it. With
regular quarantine, you'll be able to treat such diseases before they get to the
display and cause problems>
I went to the LFS and he gave me some antibiotic tablets. I have been adding the
correct amount of antibiotics to the new 10 gal hospital tank and doing a FW dip
(I started increasing the time spent in the FW to a little over five
min last night)
<Well, antibiotics are effective if you are dealing with a disease that
requires their use! If you are dealing with any of the aforementioned
afflictions- they are parasitic, and require medications like copper sulphate or
formalin to do the job>
I did some more research last night and found this site to be very
helpful, but I am having trouble diagnosing the problem and verifying that I am
on the right course of action. I don't think it is velvet because it just
doesn't sound like it. It sounds like Brooklynella, but the other clown still
doesn't show any signs. It doesn't sound like ich because I don't see any
crystal-like spots. There was a spot on the second day that seemed to disappear
either from the fw dip or from the net in transferring to the fw. I asked the
guy about Brooklynella and he didn't seem to know anything about it. I asked
about getting some Formalin and he said that it was formaldehyde and that he
could give me a little if I wanted to try that. First of all, is this info
right, second of all, do I need to use it and finally, how do I use it.
<Best you get an aquarium-specific formalin medication. This way, you'll be
getting a medication with the proper concentration and a set of instructions on
how to use it!>
I do appreciate the time taken to look at my problem. Forgot one thing. The fish
is hanging in there and seems to be doing okay other than acting lonesome since
I took the other clown out. It still eats <and that is a good sign> :-)
Thanks in advance!
Gordon
<Yes, Gordon- the fact that the fish is eating is excellent! I'd get going on
a copper sulphate or formalin treatment regimen (not in the display tank, of
course) and monitor carefully. This disease can be very contagious, so do
observe your other fishes for potential signs of illness. Arm yourself with some
good research on the WWM site and others about these diseases, and you'll be
able to make a positive ID rather quickly! Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
URGENT_ sick clownfish: Brooklynella 5/21/04
Hello,
<howdy>
When I woke up to turn on the tank light I noticed that one of my percula clownfish was very badly injured. He has this mucus white cobweb like stuff
all over him and is breathing hard. I don't know what is wrong.
<This sounds like classic "clownfish disease" (Brooklynella... do a keyword search of this term on our website. Google search tool on the home page)>
The female is fine and is eating, but I noticed her nipping at her mate. I believe
that the female is pregnant because she is quite large (stomach area), and this is leading to stress. Nothing appears to be wrong with the other tank
mates. My tank is 75 gallon, live rock, skimmer, UV, filter, liver rock, 9 months old. pleas help
I
don't want to lose him.
Scott
<the disease generally only afflict new fish or comes in with livestock recently added to the tank without quarantine. It is critical to QT all new livestock for 4 weeks without exception (all new fishes, corals, rock, snails,
plants, shrimp, crabs... everything!). Else you risk random infections perpetually. Treatment of Brooklynella generally requires Formalin. The Aquarium Products brand "Quick Cure" may work here with aggressive freshwater dips. Do see our archives for more details on how to do this. Anthony>
Battling Brooklynella
Hi crew,
<Scott F. here today!>
I have been battling what I thought was Marine Ich, but I now believe to be Brooklynellosis. The reason I believe this, is because I have 2 clowns and 5 other fish and only the two clowns ever show signs of any disease (unfortunately the disease came about in my main tank). I have been FW bathing the clowns to keep them in good health. My question is will Brooklynellosis die out in the main tank if the other fish never show any signs of disease, or will they host itjust like Ich?
<Good question. Brooklynella is a protozoan-based disease, similar to ich. It is actually found on occasion in Angelfish, too.
Personally, I'd attack this problem just like I would Ich: Remove all potential hosts (your fishes) to a
separate tank for further observation, while letting the main tank run "fallow" for about a month. Better to be safe than sorry, IMO. Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Fallow Tank
hello,
<Morning! Ryan with you>
I recently lost my two Percula Clowns to Brooklynellosis. I was
treating the tank with Formalin for two days...I was literally turning on the
light to another tank when I turned around and they were both dead. My
question for you today is if the tank is still infected. They were
the only fish in the tank at the time and its been running without fish for
about 4 days. I want to add more clowns and was wondering when I
could.
<Sam, you need to allow time for any Protozoans in your tank to die. Without
a host, they soon will, but it's going to take time. Most experts
advise 4-6 weeks of running your tank "fallow" before returning livestock. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/brooklynellosisart.htm Good
luck! Ryan>
Thanks Sam
Hindsight is 20/20
OK! I learned the hard say, should have quarantined! (As a Biology teacher,
I am ashamed!) I have two new Perculas and one is not looking very
good, while both are acting withdrawn, no interest in eating flakes.
I am not sure if my percula clownfish necessarily has clownfish
disease (Brooklynella sp?). Today, it has developed a
white lesion on the body just below the dorsal fin. It
also has a ~2" long whitish/clear excrement strand hanging off of it and
seems to have a loss of appetite and equilibrium. I have
not noticed paleness of color nor excessive slime
secretion. The other percula seems healthy. I
am wondering if/how I should treat as well as what are possible
causes of infection?
<hello, Well I am afraid to tell you it sounds like Brooklynella. The best and
fastest way I have found of removing the parasite is a 15 minute freshwater dip. make
sure the water is same temp and ph as tank water) I know this seems like a long
time but if you do not do a full 15 minutes it will come back. Hopefully it is
not too late. As for how the got it. Most likely they were infected when you got
them or you did not acclimate them slow enough. Always quarantine!!!!MikeH>
(29 gal eclipse 3 system, temp ~ 76F, sal. 1.022-3, pH 8.2 Nitrate,
nitrite ammonia levels 0. New tank, only 3 weeks with 9lbs
live rock, 1 Sebae anemone,
<If the tank is only 3 weeks old you should not have put an anemone in there. To
keep them alive you will need at least 4-5 watts per gallon>
3 turbo snails) Thanks for any insight.
Brooklynellosis III, Treatment's Underway!
>Hello AGAIN crew!
>>Hello again.
>I am still treating my clowns for Brooklynellosis per Marina's advice. I
have them in a 10 gallon QT with a reduced specific
gravity of 1.012 (not sure if this is effective against Brooklynellosis but I
assume it stresses the parasite as it does ick) and a solution of formalin and
malachite green.
>>This is very good, others meet with much success using this method.
>They seem quite active and still eat like pigs (food soaked
in Zoecon now) though I am feeding lighter in order to keep up with the ammonia
swings in this tiny tank.
>>Sounds good.
>I also give them both freshwater baths with the formalin solution matching
pH, temp, and have an airstone to move about the water for about 15-20 minutes a
day (they actually seem to like it???).
>>Excellent, couldn't do better myself!
>The other clown does not have the white patch under his chin (never did),
but the other still does but it has not spread and I do not see the red ulcers I
did when she was in the display tank.
>>This is good news, it sounds as though you've caught it and have a good
handle on it.
>My question is how long does it take to see progress, it's actually hard to
see on her. Do you think it still may be Brooklynellosis or a
bacterial infection?
>>That is difficult to tell (between one or the other), but let's keep to
one treatment for now, then reassess the situation.
>I'm not quite sure how long to keep them in there...6 weeks to be safe?
>>Total time in hospital, yes, 4-6 weeks. As far as treatment
for the Brooklynellosis, I believe that two weeks would be sufficient.
>Should I still administer an antibiotic in conjunction with the
anti-parasitic solution because she did have that white stringy feces?
>>No, not unless after finishing treatment for the Brooklynellosis you
still see the white feces, and then I would treat that first as a bacterial
infection.
>Furthermore, is Brooklynellosis free swimming in one of its stages being
killed in the display once it can't find a clownfish after a period of time or
is there possibility as always that it may re-infect my poor clownfish?
>>I am not positive, but knowing that it is not necessarily specific to
clowns I would say that it could still be in the tank. However, I
also believe that, as I'm learning with ich, fish might be able to build up an
immunity to it.
>Speaking of, I don't "see" any symptoms exhibited on my green
mandarin or neon goby. Unfortunately, I've never seen them passing
feces, so it's hard for me to determine if they had the white stringy feces
also. They don't seem to have the white patch like the one clown did.
>>Generally, observe. If nothing appears awry, then chances are
they're fine.
>I know that the green mandarin has a thick slime coat in comparison to other
fish. Is Brooklynellosis prominently on clownfish only?
>>Most prominently, yes, but exclusively, no.
>Anyway, thank you for taking the time to read my problems and so many
others! Your help is always appreciated. Danny
>>You're very welcome, I do hope that the fish recover quickly and all
will be on their way (and you can breathe easy!). Marina
Beating Brooklynella!
Hello guys! I am new here so I hope you would help me... and quick if that's
not too much to ask?
<Scott F. at your service!>
This morning, I noticed that my Flagfin angel developed some white patches all
over his body. Though I didn't notice any adverse reactions from this, I opted
to do a 10 minute freshwater dip just to be sure. I know this is something
serious because from hindsight, a couple of really healthy bi-color angels I had
in the past developed similar symptoms where their entire body turns hazy,
almost white and then dying a day later.
<Not good...>
I know this is not ich because there are no apparent white spots. I also
discount the fact that this might be velvet because the fish doesn't exhibit
rapid breathing, is not flashing and he is still feeding.
<Well, the fact that the fish is eating is a very encouraging sign...>
Same thing in the past with my bicolors. My best guess is that this might be
Brooklynellosis. I read from your site that this occurs mostly among Clownfishes,
but what do you think? How can I cure it? I'm not considering formalin because I
have no
access to it. Will hyposalinity work?
<Well, it might provide some temporary relief from symptoms, but it is not
generally considered a "cure" for Brooklynella. As you point out
Formalin-based medications, and Malachite Green meds are usually considered the
proper cure for this illness. Feeding the fish with antibiotic-laced medication
after they are healed can help prevent the occurrence of secondary infections in
these fishes.>
I also put a really nice Centropyge flavicauda yesterday before I noticed the
disease on my Flagfin. What are the chances that this fish might contract the
disease?
<It's really hard to say...This is a highly contagious illness, and I'd
operate on the assumption that any fish which has been exposed to it is a
potential victim...I'd remove all fishes from this tank (even the apparently
healthy ones) and place them in a separate quarantine tank for observation
and/or treatment if symptoms manifest. Meanwhile, you'd let the display tank run
"fallow", without fishes, for about a month. This will result in a
significant decrease in the population of the Protozoans that cause this
disease. Not a fun procedure, but quite effective>
What can I do to prevent it from attaching to this fish?
<As above>
I also have a whitecheek tang, clown tang and 2 Ocellaris clowns in with these
angels, though I don't seem to notice the parasites attaching to them... ever!
Why could this be?
<Hard to say...Could be some form of resistance- could just be random
luck...It's up to you if you want to approach the management of this disease
aggressively, or wait it out and see...>
I'm planning to do a 25% water change tomorrow to help alleviate the situation.
<A water change is always a good thing. Not sure, however, if it will have
any impact on this illness in a display tank while fishes are still present>
Pardon me for the long story, just like to divulge all important details.
<You did a great job! No problem!>
I will greatly appreciate your response! Salamat nang marami, from your friend
here in Manila! Regards, Mitch
<Best of luck to you, Mitch! I hope that things work out okay! Good luck!
Regards, Scott F>
- Tomato Clown Disease? -
Hi Jason (or whomever is kindly helping me here),
<It's Jason again...>
Spots have now spread across both sides of body & fins and seem to be
both black and white. Have attached 2 more photos (which I hope will go
through).
<Got them... interesting.>
Am not sure of a plan of action here and am simply trying to rule things
out at this point so that I don't start a treatment plan that ends up
being more harmful for the fish than the problem.
<Good tact...>
Of the common diseases that I've read about I can't seem to identify this
as being any one of them because of the following reasons:
Amyloodinium - can't be this because the fish has had problem for a while
(3 or so weeks) and has exhibited no signs of breathing difficulty. Seems
like this disease doesn't show any skin symptoms (except for 2nd hand
diseases).
<Ok.>
Cryptocaryon (Ich) - thought it might be this, but the spots are hardly
'salt' like and the other fish in the tank (a scooter blenny) has not
shown any symptoms at all.
<Hmmm... not uncommon for one individual's
stress to be high enough to suffer from a parasitic problem like this
before other fish in the tank.>
Brooklynella - Local dealer told me that it was probably this after I
described the symptoms (& sold me some Formalin to use in a 30min
dip), but I really doubt it is this as it looks nothing like the pictures
I've seen of it & furthermore, the fish again doesn't exhibit the
'gasping' & reduced appetite that I've read about. Finally, it is my
understanding that Brooklynella (like Amyloodinium) would probably kill
the fish rather quickly. As I've mentioned before, the fish seems to be
otherwise doing fine...
So, I have CopperSafe ready to go, Formalin ready to go & am ready to
use these medicines either in a quarantine tank (Copper) or as a dip (Formalin), but as I don't really know what I'm supposed to be treating, I
don't know what I should do. I looked for Methylene Blue at the store
& wasn't able to find it (is it sold with a specific brand name?) but
will use it in a buffered freshwater dip if you feel it would help.
<The dip is a good way to kick things off. Perhaps the isolation would
also be helpful here.>
Anyways - any identification you could give me? <Still not sure, and
really looks to me like aggression, nipping... or scraping against
something. Will do some more research.>
If not, any ideas on a plan of
attack?
<I like the idea of a dip along with isolation in quarantine to
await further action.> Hope these photos are helpful...
<Yes.>
Thanks again for the help in advance. Know you guys are busy...
Eric Harvey
<Cheers, J -- > |

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Sounds like Brooklynellosis
I am a new hobbyist. I recently purchased a Maroon clown
fish. He was doing well for about 2 weeks. I had a
four striped and a yellow damsel in the tank
previously. all who are doing well. Last week, I purchased
a yellow tang, a Black and White Heniochus, a chocolate chip starfish, and a
cleaner shrimp. All did well at first. I noticed however
that the Heniochus was picking on the starfish as well as my feather
duster.
<yes, sometimes these fish do pick on inverts, they are closely
related to butterfly fish>
A few days later, I could not find my
cleaner shrimp (I have a 35 gallon tank in which he was easy to
find). I am assuming he died, and one of the fish ate him.
<most
likely>
For the past few days, my clown fish has not been
eating. Today he is hovering on the bottom of my tank. He
looks like he has a little white like film on his head.
<sounds to me like
Brooklynellosis or "clownfish disease">
His white
stripes look like they are not white as usual. And his Dark orange
has lighter orange marks within (a little hard to explain).
<I know what you
are talking about>
I am not sure what is wrong with him.
<You
need to read over this following link and take action immediately or the fish
will perish very soon http://www.wetwebmedia.com/brooklynellosisart.htm
>
I took the Heniochus back, thinking he was terrorizing my other
species.
<good idea>
I do not think that my clownfish will
survive, but I am interested in knowing what happened and how to prevent this
again.
<again try to save this fish and next time quarantine all fish before
they are placed in the main system>
I do not have a hospital tank.
<please purchase one>
Should I get one for the future?
Thanks for you help,
Debbie
<YES>
How to I set it up, and when should I set it up
(before a fish get sick or when they get sick)?
<I would just set it up and
maintain it just like you would do your show aquarium...Qt aquariums are
essential, Good Luck, IanB>
Beating Brooklynella!
Hey guys, hope all is going well.
<Doing Well, thanks! Scott F. with you today!>
Thank you for providing such an informative, easily navigated site. I live in a
smaller town, hours away from the
nearest pet store and your site is my (and all of my friends) best source of
information, thank you for all your help.
<Glad to be here- even in "cyberville">
I've had a tomato clown fish for about 3-4 weeks now (he was
transferred from a friends tank-had been in there for about a year or so) and
I've recently (past 4-5 days) noticed clear to milky-white splotches on his
sides. My friends and I don't think its "ick" because its not really
white dots, just grayish film. The fish had been bullied the whole
time he was in his previous
home, but my tank (44gal 20lbs live rock, devils hand coral, and a leaf fish SG
1.023 , temp 77, water conditions are fine-just had water tested) has been a
peaceful place. He seems to eat fine, but he just hangs out in the
bottom corner and seems to rub on the glass. And he sometimes darts
around his side of the
tank. I'm worried that what he has might spread to my leaf fish. I
want to treat ASAP, but I (being a poor college) do not have a
Q-Tank. Any advice would be very much appreciated- not mention you
will be saving the only clown fish in a 100 mile radius. Thanks
again-Nick C
<Well, Nick it sounds like you could be dealing with Brooklynella, which is a
lethal disease that certain Clownfishes are particularly susceptible to.
Symptoms are a thick white mucus on the fish's body, rapid respiration, loss of
appetite, faded color, and general listlessness...My recommended course of
action is to dip the fish in freshwater for 10-15 minutes, followed by a stay in
a separate hospital tank. In the hospital tank, administer two drops of Formalin
per gallon (or the recommended dosage per the manufacturer of the Formalin-based
medication that you're using). This disease is quite fatal, so rapid action on
your part is vital to save the fish's life. Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Treatment of Clownfish disease
Hi Ian, what would you use for Clownfish disease then?
Also, you say that chelated copper will wipe out bio-filtration, yet
manufacturers such as Mardel (CopperSafe) guarantee that it's safe for
bio-filtration.... how can it be? <Have read ways to treat Brooklynella
hostilis (clownfish disease), In Martin Moe's "The Marine Aquarium
Handbook" he states that copper treatment is ineffective without
co-treatment with formalin, Quinacrine or malachite green. He states one of the
best treatments is the Malachite green treatment (but not in the main
aquarium-in the bare bottom hospital aquarium-so it doesn't kill your beneficial
bacteria) its a five day exposure to malachite green. One or two drops per
gallon of a 1% solution makes up the treatment bath. After four to
five days in a treatment tank, the disease should be gone.>
<You can also try this method of treatment but make sure its not in your main
aquarium- All new fishes should be quarantined, isolated in a separate system
for a good two weeks before exposing them to established systems. As regards
wild-collected Clownfishes and Seahorses this is a particular concern. In almost
all cases a preventative pH-adjusted freshwater baths (Fenner 1989, 97, 98) in
process of acclimation and placing of new fishes in quarantine eliminates this
and other external parasitic problems. If Brooklynella expresses itself on your
fishes in quarantine or a main-display setting it is necessary to act quickly to
effect a cure by chemical treatment. As mentioned earlier, copper is largely
ineffective in treating for this protozoan. The most efficacious cure is made by
using formalin solution in either dips/baths (in freshwater or marine) or more
dangerously, in administering the formalin to a system (with no invertebrates,
algae, live rock present). Stock solutions of formalin (formaldehyde) are
generally about 37% composition, and can be used as dips/baths of one cc. per
gallon. Baths should extend for a minimum of fifteen minutes, perhaps as long as
thirty... with you present (lest the animal/s need to be removed due to stress)
and mechanical aeration (bubblers, airstones) added to the bath. (got this from
WWM) Hope this helps, IanB>
Luke
Brooklynella
Hello,
<Hi Petr, wish it was under better circumstances you were writing us.>
A few days ago I purchased Maroon Clown (~5in). I put the fish in my
20gal QT (whisper power filter, SeaClone skimmer, heater, and a small light) and
a day later noticed white spots/clumps on its skin. I'm pretty sure
that it is not Ick (I already had to treat my other fish for ick before and
would recognize it).
The white spots have irregular shape and some are larger than other. Some of the
spots make the fish look almost as if it was covered with spider webs. The
fish swims around pretty well, seems to eat and reacts when I walk by the tank. Is
this Brooklynella?! <It could be, there's several possibilities.>
In my LFS I was told to try ParaGuard (Seachem) and to follow the
manufacturer's instructions:
- 1hr bath in 3ml/gal solution
- then administer the med. to QT 1ml/2gal I was wondering if you have any
experience with this medication and if it makes sense to use it to treat this
parasite. Would formaldehyde be a better solution? <Not that I'm
aware. I've not had any experience with ich, or any of the other diseases.
Here's the link to the site on diseases: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/parasiti.htm
There's a number of FAQs also. From what I've read, the treatment is the same as
for ich: lowered salinity, and, for clownfish, low doses (1/2 recommended) of
copper.>
Best regards, Petr
<Good luck, and I hope the little bugger pulls through.>
Combating Brooklynella
Hello,
<Hi there! Scott F. with you tonight>
A few days ago I purchased Maroon Clown (~5in). I put the fish in my
20gal QT (whisper power filter, SeaClone skimmer, heater, and a small light) and
a day later noticed white spots/clumps on its skin. I'm pretty sure
that it is not Ick. I already had to treat my other fish for ick
before and would recognize it. The white spots have irregular shape and some are
larger than other. Some of the spots make the fish look almost as if it was
covered with
spider webs. The fish swims around pretty well, seems to eat and
reacts when I walk by the tank. Is this Brooklynella?
<Well, it could be Brooklynella, but you should see if some of the symptoms
outlined here seem familiar: The keys to the diagnosis of this disease are a
thick, whitish mucus, faded body color, loss of appetite, heavy respiration,
gasping, and some degree of difficulty swimming.>
In my LFS I was told to try ParaGuard (Seachem) and to follow the
manufacturer's instructions:
- 1hr bath in 3ml/gal solution
- then administer the med. to QT 1ml/2gal
I was wondering if you have any experience with this medication and if it makes
sense to use it to treat this parasite. Would formaldehyde be a
better solution? Best Regards, Petr.
<ParaGuard is a good product. However, I've experienced good success in
combating this disease by using a 10-15 minute freshwater dip, followed by
Formalin administered (in the quarantine or hospital tank) at 4 drops per gallon
(OR the dosage recommended by the manufacturer!). This usually does the trick
for me. However, make absolutely sure that you're dealing with this disease
before beginning a course of treatment. Remember, if it is Brooklynella, rapid
response is important. Good luck!>
Illness (Clownfishes... probably Brooklynella)
Hi Bob, Anthony or who is doing the mail today. I have two common Clown fish
and they are both ill. This morning I noticed one of the fish has what looks
like long strains of cobwebs coming from his fins and body, about 1/4 to 1/2
inch long, and he is constantly swimming at the surface tail down. I have
managed to look at one of them with a magnifying glass and it looks like their
skin is peeling and swaying in the water from their bodies.
<Ohh, likely very bad I'm sorry to state>
I have removed them from the main tank and put them both in a hospital tank, but
what do I treat them with? Could you please help me? As I would hate to see
anything happen to them.
<Are these fish new? Wild caught? I suspect the answer is yes to both
questions. You are likely experiencing a protozoan named Brooklynella... and
very hard to cure. You need to act immediately, treating with a
formalin/formaldehyde based medication... Please take a read through here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clownfis.htm
and through the linked (in blue, at top) FAQs files on Clownfish Diseases. Good
luck, life. Bob Fenner>
Many thanks
Colin
Clown Fish Disease
Hello,
My brother recommended that I write to you about this. I had two clownfish (tank
raised Ocellaris) die this morning in my tank. I took them to the fish store and
they determined that it was clownfish disease (I think they called it
Brooklynella?) after looking at it under a microscope. I still have a Coral
Beauty in my tank as well as some shrimp and snails. What should I do to keep
what I still have healthy?
<Remove the Coral Beauty to a quarantine/hospital tank and begin treatment
with Formalin. Please see here for additional information:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quaranti.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clndisfaqs.htm>
The Coral Beauty still looks healthy but he has been scratching up against rocks
frequently.
Thank you, Tyler Packard
<You are welcome.>
The clown fish looked fine all the way to last night so I am concerned about the
same thing happening to the Coral Beauty.
<As am I. Good luck! -Steven Pro>
Clown Fish Disease
Hello,
My brother recommended that I write to you about this.<sounds like a cool
guy> I had to clown fish (tank raised Ocellaris) die this morning in my tank.
I took them to the fish store and they determined that it was clown fish disease
(I think they called it Brooklynella?) after looking at it under a microscope. I
still have a Coral Beauty in my tank as well as some shrimp and snails. What
should I do to keep what I still have healthy? The Coral Beauty still looks
healthy but he has been scratching up against rocks frequently.
Thank you,
Tyler Packard
The clown fish looked fine all the way to last night so I am concerned about the
same thing happening to the Coral Beauty.
<Brooklynella is usually noticeable, it looks more like a bunch of soft,
translucent, dead skin or mucus peeling/flaking off the fish. I would keep a
close eye on the Coral beauty. Take a look at our information on disease to see
if it is showing any other symptoms. You may want to consider removing the coral
beauty from your main tank and placing it in a quarantine tank for a few weeks
for treatment if necessary. I would not worry about the shrimp and snails. Also,
test your water, make sure everything is as it should be. Check out the links
below and get back to us with any more questions that may arise. Best of Luck,
sorry about the loss of your clowns, Gage.
http://wetwebmedia.com/clndisfaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/parasiti.htm>
Re: Clown Fish Disease
I will get on that right away. Is it possible for other types of fish to
contract Brooklynella from clown fish? <Yes> I was just wondering if
putting my Coral Beauty in quarantine is precautionary or is he in severe danger
of contracting the disease.<He is in danger of contracting the disease.>
One other quick question, the shrimp I have are cleaner shrimp and the coral
beauty stops and lets them clean them off every once in awhile. Is this
something that could be helping resolve the situation with the Brooklynella?
<The cleaner shrimp will do his best, but if you just lost other fish I would
go with the QT method. Good luck, Gage>
Thanks, Tyler
Clownfish Dilemma
Dear WetWebCrew
I forwarded the attached email and photo on 3 Dec but have not seen a
response either on the dailies or archived FAQs.
<Yikes... a ghost in the machine?>
Maybe I just don't know where to look.
<Mmm, no, we answer all, post all to the Daily FAQs, then on to more
specific categories. I suspect your query is still in someone here's
inbox/folder>
At any rate, I would appreciate your advice. I was
hopeful that I could do a larger than usual water change and feed
medicated foods to alleviate this problem without adding to my maroon
Clownfishes stress. After four days it's obvious that I was
dreaming. She is still eating well but now has another white patch on her
left side although the lips aren't nearly as swollen. My hospital tank is
now ready and I want to move her from the main tank tonight. I
plan to do a Methylene blue dip and put her in the QT but am unsure what
medications to use at that point. I have Coppersafe, formalin,
etc. Please advise.
<I would use the formalin as a dip with the Methylene blue and then
administer it to the clown per instructions, watching ammonia, nitrite (as
the formalin will kill off all, including nitrifying bacteria), be ready
to replace water with some that is pre-made, cycled... What are you going
to do if your system is infested, as with Brooklynella? Do you have
another place to put this Clown? Bob Fenner>
Respectfully,
Barry Re: Clownfish Dilemma (Brooklynellosis)
Wow! Thanks for your rapid response, Mr. Fenner. I
will follow your advice
and dip the clown in Methylene blue/formalin prior to placing in quarantine.
I have replacement water ready for the QT. As for the rest of my system, I
suppose I could relocate current residents to smaller tanks (I have a 15 for
the snails/crabs/shrimp and a 20 tall for the bi-color, small maroon clown
and the damsel) after setting them up and then let the main system go fallow
for a month or so. Would that do the trick?
<Hopefully yes... some chance IF this is Brooklynella (aka "Clownfish
Disease") that the remaining damsel might act as a carrier>
Should I presume that the main
system is infected since this my infected clown is not a new resident?
<Yes... again, w/o microscopic exam. ID's not definitive... your other fishes
show no symptoms I take it though>
Thanks so much for all the assistance you and the crew provide.
<You're welcome, glad to be here, of help. Bob Fenner>
Respectfully,
Barry
Re: Clownfish Dilemma
Thanks again, sir. Correct, the other fishes show no symptoms.
How "bout I
treat the damsel as if it does have the disease? Would that
help? Although
he's a great little tank mate, I don't need to keep a "Typhoid Mary"
at the
expense of my other charges so he could be a martyr if necessary.
<Good idea>
Also, I
forgot about the open brain coral. Should I put it with the clean-up crew or
the fishes during exile?
<I would leave it in the main system if you don't intend to lower spg,
elevate temp. as many do to "speed up" the life cycle of resting
stages of the parasite>
Would it be better to tear the main tank
completely down, replace the live sand, hose down my live rock, etc.,
recycle and start from scratch?
<Mmm, I wouldn't (unless thoroughly frustrated... I shy on the lazy
side...)>
Is it safe to use current tank water to seed
the "holding" tanks?
<No... will be moving the parasite with the water. Got to keep nets,
cleaning, all other gear sterilized or other from use between the infested
system>
I'm sure that's my limit of question :-). I do read
the FAQs daily and have the CMA and have learned so much (and more every
day), guess I lack a little confidence and want to do what's right for my
charges.
<I understand. No worries. Bob Fenner>
Respectfully,
Barry
Re: Clownfish Dilemma
Wow! Thanks for your rapid response, Mr. Fenner. I
will follow your advice
and dip the clown in Methylene blue/formalin prior to placing in quarantine.
I have replacement water ready for the QT. As for the rest of my system, I
suppose I could relocate current residents to smaller tanks (I have a 15 for
the snails/crabs/shrimp and a 20 tall for the bi-color, small maroon clown
and the damsel) after setting them up and then let the main system go fallow
for a month or so. Would that do the trick?
<Hopefully yes... some chance IF this is Brooklynella (aka "Clownfish
Disease") that the remaining damsel might act as a carrier>
Should I presume that the main
system is infected since this my infected clown is not a new resident?
<Yes... again, w/o microscopic exam. ID's not definitive... your other fishes
show no symptoms I take it though>
Thanks so much for all the assistance you and the crew provide.
<You're welcome, glad to be here, of help. Bob Fenner>
Respectfully,
Barry
Re: Clownfish Dilemma. Fallow period percentage benefit equation...
Thanks again. I'll get everybody out of the pool except the brain
coral,
say adios to the damsel, do a 50% water change and let nature take it's
course. I hope that's a reasonable plan. One last question (promise
:-))
Is four weeks enough time for my main tank to be fallow?
Respectfully,
Barry
<For 90 some percent of the benefit of doing so (ostensibly yes). If you'd
like the last ten or so percent, you can wait it out another month or more...
Bob Fenner>
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Ocellaris Clown (disease)
Hello Sirs. Thank you again for all of the info. I'm writing to get your
opinion on diagnosis/treatment of my false percula. After searching the site, I
found a post that seemed pretty similar to my situation (as far as the
symptoms). It goes:
Brooklynella, Microsporidium, or Lymphocystis?
Hello,
I recently made the mistake of purchasing a large (3") Amphiprion
Ocellaris (common clownfish) from my local fish store. They had just
received the animal when I purchased it, mistake number two. I added the
clownfish to my newly cycled reef tank (mistake number three, biggest
one). Within 24 hours I noticed a white wart/cauliflower growth on the
animal's right side, in the white band area, just behind the gills. The
clownfish will not eat and appears to be stagnant although it is moving
about somewhat. The animal does not exhibit any other signs of
infection, no small white spots, glazed or popping eyes, scratching, fin
rot, and the like. What has infected my fish? I've narrowed it down to
either Brooklynella, Microsporidium, or Lymphocystis or ? ? ? What can I
do to cure the fish and save my reef tank. Should I remove the infected
fish to prevent the disease from spreading to the other tank mates (choc
chip star, scooter blenny, 2 turbo snails, 6 reef crabs)? Please advise,
I want to save my tank and the clown if possible. thanks,
Dan Rose
Thank you for writing so well, including with such clarity and humility... Glad
to know that I'm not the only one who makes egregious errors in the hobby...
I would almost bet that what you are seeing is indeed the Clown-attacking
protozoan Brooklynella... And would in any case follow these steps.
Do take the fish out and treat it in a separate "hospital" system...
for it's sake, the use of the treatment "medicine", and the safety
from the same of the rest of your system. The likelihood that the Brooklynella
will affect your other livestock is minimal (there are no other Clownfishes...)...
Copper is of little use if indeed this is Brooklynella, but formalin dips/baths
are efficacious. Buy a stock solution (my fave retail brand is Kordon, but any
will do)... generally a few drops per quart of pH adjusted (just with sodium
bicarbonate, baking soda is fine) freshwater... and move the fish from the main
tank into this solution for about ten minutes... either add an airstone,
occasionally splash the water around for aeration), move the Clown to the
bare-bottom (but still filtered, aerated.... with a hang on, sponge, box
filter...) hospital/quarantine system... Dump the treatment water... repeat
every day for three days... and stop there if there is no further visible sign
of the disease... If it re-shows or persists, wait two days and resume the
dip/baths...
This will work.... Bob Fenner
Well I thought that the "wart/white cauliflower" part definitely
defined what has appeared on the very tip of the dorsal fin of my fish. I've had
this fish about a month. 2 weeks in QT and 2 in main display. About 3 days after
introduction into the main tank, I noticed a white spot about the size/shape of
a grain of table sea salt (yum). Wasn't sure so I've been watching and reading
in the meantime. In the last 10 days the spot has maybe grown by 25-50%, but has
not spread to any other areas. It also has not spread to Pac Blue Tang. He (or
she I'd suppose) was eating normally until yesterday when he/she started
"sampling" then spitting out food (similar CMA recipe). Seems similar
enough to enclosed post to warrant an email. Would this be a Brooklynella
infection that would require the above recommended treatment?
<Mmm, the wart-like growth on the Clown could be lymph, the spot on both
fishes is likely crypt, tangs don't "get" Brooklynella>
Other info:
125 gal, 90# LR (more coming when the $$ does), 200# LS, 240W NO fluor. lighting
@13 hrs/day (MH with more $$ again), 2x Rio 1100 plus return for circulation, TF
1000 skimmer, sump w/ 55W PC lit 'fuge, airstone and active carbon. Today's
parameters were pH-8.2, Ammonia-0, Nitrate- <5 ppm, Alk- 4.8 mEq/L, Ca-350
ppm, Temp 77, SG-1.025
Other livestock:
1- Pacific Blue Tang, 1-sand sifting star, 12 bumblebee snails(?), 6-turbos,
12-astrea, 1- hitchhiker clam as of yet un-i.d.'d, misc hitchhiker
polyps/sponges etc, and very soon 1- cleaner shrimp to be determined
<I would hasten the acquisition of the Cleaner Shrimp/s... maybe get more
than one>
Hope this is enough/ not too much info. Thank you for your help and dedication
to helping the rest of us become as informed as we can possibly be.
<Perhaps add a Gobiosoma Goby to the Cleaner list as well... otherwise
nothing "stands out" as real trouble/cause here. Bob Fenner>
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Ich freaking me out
what are these spots still on my fish today, slime kinda
<likely a protozoan infection so common on clownfish... do read more
about it and treatments (which you are already doing) at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/parasiti.htm Let me encourage you to use the
wealth of information in the WWM archives (articles, FAQs, photos and
more) and use the Google search engine on the WWM to narrow your search if
necessary (I prefer to just browse). Best regards, Anthony>
<Looks like Brooklynellosis to me... Please see the Google search
feature on WWM re "Brooklynellosis" and/or the FAQs files on
Clownfish Disease: starting here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clndisfaqs.htm and beyond. Need to act, quick.
Bob Fenner>
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HELP! Do I have Clownfish Disease?
Hi, I've read your site extensively for about 2 days straight now, but am
still not sure about this...
I have just recently (2 days ago) gotten 2 False Percula Clowns. They
are in
a QT. The QT has been having problems with ammonia and I've been
doing a 4-5
Gallon water change daily (its only a 10 Gallon tank) - with seawater aged
overnight. I have the S.G at about 1.018-1.019.
<I would raise this spg to about near seawater, 1.025 at a rate of .002 per
day>
One seems Ok but his
appetite has dropped off, and the other is not eating at all and hides under
the rock - looks at the food, but wont eat. I've been offering Live
Brine as
a bribe ( I know it's not the best, but a good start to get them feeding?
I've also tried a pinch of flake and a pinch of formula one frozen, but not
takers) My questions is this, The both have come down with
two different
looking symptoms that I am unsure of. 1) They both have a
few patches on
the skin that just look different - a little raised but not discolored,
possibly extra mucus?,
<Maybe... likely tied to the low spg.>
I'm not sure. 2) whitish/tannish (more tannish
looking) small clumpy spots more on one than the other running basically
along the lateral line.
<Does sound like Brooklynellosis>
Also looks as if there could be some lesions (some
redness along with it). Doesn't look like typical Ick as
"salt" grains. I
don't have a good LFS around so I got them through FFE - so most likely wild
caught.
<Maybe. Do contact them re>
Is this Brookylenna (I know - spelled wrong - but you know what I
mean) - or is this Ick? A combo of both? I have used
OrganiCure (I know some of you don't like that either.. but don't currently have a test kit for
SeaCure - can try to get one during the week) - and have done a daily
Freshwater Dip in 1 Gal.
<Copper compounds won't cure this protozoan infestation... I recommend
formalin based.>
of PH matched, Temp. matched w/ one drop of
QuickCure (Formalin/malachite green) for about 5-10 minutes. Is this
Ok for
them?
<Should be, if they're healthy enough at this point... but not likely
effective simply as a dip... need to be treated in the QT tank>
Should I continue this treatment? Your help is greatly
appreciated!
I don't know if I should but them in the main tank or not - as I'm also
worried about damaging them with high ammonia levels in the QT. Thanks! You
people are wonderful!
<Don't place these clowns in the main system... if they are carriers of other
pathogens you may well spread these to your main system. Read more thoroughly re
the causative organism (Brooklynella hostilis) and its treatments, then act. Bob
Fenner>
Beating Brooklynella
Hi guys,
<Scott F. here today!>
I need your help on this one. I have an established 55 gallon marine aquarium
with Live rock, which was basically stocked with fish and a few inverts (mostly
crabs and a cleaner shrimp). I recently introduced several fish to
the tank ( four blue Chromis) and noticed that within a day one of the Chromis
was turning grey and starting to develop serious mucus, and expired within two
days. At first I thought it might have been stress that did him in
from the mail order shipping, however within two days I noticed white specks all
over several other fish. Basically on the fins and mouth. It
looked too small to be Ich but larger than velvet. I tried Kick Ich,
Maracyn, and Rally over the past several weeks but more and more of the fish
were becoming infected. I did a little more research into various
marine diseases and I now believe that what the infection was, was Brooklynella.
<Yep, this sounds just like Brooklynella to me. Good pickup!>
The infected fish showed no real signs of debilitation other than the spots for
several days, then begin to hover near the bottom of the tank, eventually there
eyes would get cloudy, mucus or what looked like scales/skin began shedding off
of the fish and within 24 hours afterward they would be dead. All
that is left in the tank is a yellow tang and a percula clown. For
years I have never had any type of bacterial, fungal or parasitic infection in
my tank, but now I am paying the price for not maintaining a quarantine tank.
<Well, that's true. At least you are learning the value of the quarantine
process, so this awful experience will not have been in vain...>
I have several questions for you. Tonight I set up a quarantine tank
with some live rock and substrate from my main tank. I have no idea
if this will be bringing any of the offenders into the QT or not, but I needed
something with some type of biological filtration.
<Oops! Don't do this! The "hospital tank" (or your quarantine tank)
should not have any substrate or rock. By bringing in substrate and rock from
the main tank, you are very likely to bring the parasites into the treatment
tank. Plus, having a substrate reduces the effectiveness of medications, such as
copper sulphate, which tend to be absorbed by these materials. You can supply
necessary biological filtration for a QT tank by running a sponge filter in your
sump for a couple of weeks before you use it in the QT tank. In this case, I'd
go with one of the "cultures" that you can get at the LFS, such as
Cycle, etc. to "kick start" the treatment tank.>
I have read that if I raise the temperature of the QT tank to mid 80s, that the
reproduction cycle can be broken.
<Not broken, but sped up. Medication is required to nail this disease...And,
let your main tank run fallow, without fishes, for at least a month. THAT will
help break the life cycle of this nasty parasite.>
Should I dip my fish in formalin or malachite green and then place them into the
QT, then raise the temp up?
<I'd give the affected fishes at least a 10 minute freshwater dip, then place
them into the treatment tank, where you could administer a Formalin-based
medication, per manufacturer's dosage and instructions.>
Also, anything that seems to wipe out Brooklynella also destroys the biological
filtration, is there any other treatment that I can use?
<Honestly, I'd go with the old-fashioned, effective Formalin technique. It
works!>
If I remove the fish from my main tank, is the best way to clear up the
infestation, just let it tank run (with the inverts) without fish for 3-4 weeks
and hope they all die off? If I go this route, what will happen to
the biological filtration in my main tank? Without the waste load of
fish, will the live rock and the rest of the biological filter weaken or cease
to exist?
<Just let it run fallow, without the fishes. You'd be surprised at how well
things will run during this time. And, continue to perform all regular
maintenance during this period. Fallow tanks are no guarantee that the disease
will be completely eradicated from your tank, but it is a big help.>
Finally, around the time that I added the new fish, I also added a few pieces of
cured live rock from the LFS. After several of the fish perished, I
noticed very, very small white "bugs" crawling on the glass. I
can't give more of a description as they are so minute in size (probably 15-20
would cover the head of a pin). The owner of the LFS feels that it
was probably something living on the live rock before I introduced it into my
tank. He thought it was not the cause of the tank apocalypse. Can
you tell me if Brooklynella is an animal that could be seen with the naked eye?
<Very unlikely that you could see the parasites. Sounds like some kind of
other life form that you will find on rock...However, there is a possibility
that the parasites did come in on the new rock, visible or not>
Any help you can give me regarding this is much appreciated as it is hard to
watch this destruction happen so quickly. I am anxious to 'rebuild'
but I want to do things correctly to ensure that everything is properly
eradicated. I guess I will keep a QT tank up and running at all times from now
on! Thanks. Dave
<Well, Dave- I predict that you will be a very vocal proponent of the
quarantine process, just like yours truly! It only takes one experience like
this to make you a believer! Hang in there...You can beat this thing! Good luck!
Regards, Scott F>
Help confirming fish disease.
Dear WWM Crew,
My wife and I recently received an order from a mail order company containing a few corals and a pair of Percula clowns. We placed them in their own 10 gallon tank to "wait and see". Well our luck would have it (mostly bad) that one of the clowns broke out with something I believe may be marine velvet yesterday and is now totally covered with a white film, it's dorsal fins are clamped down against its body, and it's swimming, although active, appears odd.
<Does look like Velvet, Amyloodiniumiasis>
Its Percula partner now also has a small patch of this film on one of its pectoral fins but otherwise appears normal. I'm enclosing a picture in the hopes that you can help identify the disease. I am planning to quarantine these two fish apart from the corals and begin with freshwater dips and lower the SG in their holding vessel as well as upping the temperature a bit to the range of 80 degrees. Please let me know what you think of my plan of action. As always, your opinions are highly regarded and appreciated.
Sincerely,
Mike Frazer
Certified Percula Killer.
<This is also very likely a wild-collected specimen... Not nearly as tough as the captive-produced ones... Quite often have real troubles with cumulative stress, epizootic diseases... and really should only be attempted by folks who have a "special need/desire" (e.g. to culture, harden them for aquaculture, set-up biotopic exhibits...). Do read through WetWebMedia.com re marine diseases, treatments... and Clownfishes. Bob Fenner> |
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Sick Clown, Brooklynella
now after further observation, I've concluded that my poor clown's got Brooklynella.
in which case what's your preferred treatment - dips, copper, other???
from my reading I understand that the grim reaper could come very fast.
<Possibly but doubtful that this is Brooklynella... Please use the search tool on the bottom of our homepage: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/
with the genus name... and read about this disease and its hosts, mainly the Clownfishes. Bob Fenner> |
Maroon Clown fish
Hey Guys
<<And hello to you, JasonC here...>>
I have a 2.5-inch maroon clown fish that has started to get a chalky white film on his body and has been rubbing its self on the rocks frequently. <<Uhh-ohh...>> There are 5 other fish in the tank that are not showing any sign of the same symptoms. My questions are what do you think this is from if it is an ailment how do I cure it and do you think it could spread to the other species in the tank? <<Well... clownfish in captivity quite often come down with a funk known as Clownfish Disease, of all things... it's rather common and also quick to take effect and often doesn't bode well for the fish. You will need to take rapid action to deal with this if you want to save the fish. Do read the following URLs which will detail the problem and course of action:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clownfis.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clndisfaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dips_baths.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quaranti.htm
As to your other question about the problem spreading... there is always that chance. Don't waste any time dealing with this and quarantine this fish.>>
Oh also this fish's stripes have not yet changed to a gold color like the guys at the fish store said they would is this a problem or is this fish supposed to have white stripes? <<I have seen these fish in both white and yellow strips - not 100% sure why this is, but my guess is it will depend on the broodstock if captive raised or perhaps the region it was collected if not.>>
Thanks
Jason
<<Cheers, J -- >>
Re: Maroon Clown fish
Hello again,
<<And hello to you...>>
I had read about marine itch both symptoms and cures it was my first suspect for this situation. "I do not want to argue with your expertise". However this fish is not showing signs of this disease he acts more then fine other then the white chalky tone and his persistent rubbing. <<The chalky tone and persistent scratching are both what I would consider serious preliminary symptoms. The ball is in your court now.>> There is no sigh of him gasping or staying towards the top of the tank,
in fact he is very persistent in staying in his territory and not letting any other fish in the area. The only time that he comes near the top of the tank is when I feed flakes to the lot of them. So would the diagnosis still lean towards marine itch? <<I was never leaning toward ich [Cryptocaryon irritans], but towards Clownfish disease [Brooklynella hostilis] which is a combination of problems of which ich is not one of them, but still parasitic.>>
Jason
<<Cheers, J -- >>
Brooklynella
A few weeks ago I lost three clown fish to what sounded like
Brooklynella. All three had been in contact with each other through
anemones. The first sign was that they each stopped eating, then they
got blotches that looked white and some reddish. I still have a pink
skunk which was very close to the maroon that died and yet three weeks
later the
pink skunk is fine. What causes Brooklynella, why didn't the skunk get
it, and is there
anything I can do to prevent this again. The other fish in the tank are
alright as well, which is a yellow tang and a purple Firefish. I do
have a UV sterilizer.
>>
This does sound like Brooklynella (hostilis), a protozoan infestation of mainly Clownfishes. All authors I'm aware of attribute its outbreak and introduction to shipping
and stress. Also, it is not susceptible to copper treatment. Formalin baths have proven
efficacious, and the friends who I've helped to develop receiving protocols for these
animals use a commercial copper-formalin product (Kordon is my fave manufacturer) in a
dip/bath to prevent introduction of the ciliate into their systems...
At this point, it may be that due to size, initial health, that your remaining clown is
resistant to the present Brooklynella organisms... If they show on this fish, do try a
formalin, or formalin plus bath procedure, moving the animal to another tank... and do not
place any new clownfish livestock in the tank for a few months.
Bob Fenner
The Brooklynella Blues
I just purchased a percula clown. It won't eat anything but newly hatched brine shrimp and the day after I got it, it developed what looks like
ich.
<Actually, more likely another protozoan infection peculiar to Clownfishes... do you have a cleaner organism in with it?>
It doesn't seem to be eating at all now (4 days later) and
is growing listless. Any ideas about what I can do to get it to eat
something besides brine shrimp? I treated the ich for 2 days when I first
saw a problem but the fish seemed to be declining faster in the medicated water (malachite green) I am brand new to the marine hobby but have kept freshwater fish for about 10 yrs.
<The protozoan problem is not treatable with Copper-based ich remedies... look into Brooklynella... and institute freshwater dips and formalin treatments... NOW!
Bob Fenner>
Clownfish Breathing Hard
hello I have a clown fish that is breathing real hard but the weird thing is
that everything in the test kit that I have is all perfect? what do you think
it is and what should I do for it?
thanks
<Many possibilities here... could be just simple anoxia (lack of aeration, circulation)... possibly an osmotic imbalance (too much change in your water make-up in too short a period of time), perhaps a Brooklynella infestation... Please read through the Clownfish Health/Disease sections and related FAQs files posted on the site: www.WetWebMedia.com for hopefully what will surface as the cause/s, path to take here.
Bob Fenner>
Re: clown fish
Mr. Fenner,
Thank you again for your quick response. What is a bio cleaner (protein
skimmer?) and how would I treat the disease (Brooklynella) if in fact she
does have the disease. Thanks for all your help.
Jason Cohen
<All answered on www.WetWebMedia.com. Bob Fenner>
Re: clown fish
Mr. Fenner,
As per our pervious conversations the white matter on my female clown has
reappeared after nearly 7 to 10 days. Is it possible that the white matter
is coming from her anemone or could it be ick or velvet reappearing?
<Not likely the former, very possibly the latter... that or another microorganism pest, Brooklynella... very common on wild-collected Clowns>
She is very active and shows no signs of illness. I will just have to wait and
observe like the pervious time.
Thank You, Jason Cohen
<Yes, this is best... and consider a biological cleaner... Bob Fenner>
Maroon Clown with Disease
Greetings WWM team,
<cheers!>
Hope this email finds you all doing well...
<and you as well my friend>
I have greatly enjoyed and learned from this awesome website, and firstly
would like to say THANKS...
<Thanks to you as well. Do help our cause and tell a friend about us>
I am fairly new to marine aquariums (1 yr) and keep a 120 gal, with 200 lbs LR, 210 lbs LS, and mainly soft corals...
<a very nice start!>
The only fish in the tank are a pair of yellow striped maroons. This morning I noticed some whitish
specks (and maybe slimy spot??) on the female.
<if the fish is not new, it is very unusual... such parasitic infection evidenced in your photo are usually stress and temperature induced. Common after a power outage of heater malfunction (or inappropriately variable temp in home tank... 3+ F temp swing by day)... but more often this is seen in new fishes on import. It is critical that all clowns be quarantined to avoid or address this common disease>
I must have been lucky thus far because I have never had to deal with any problems like this before... I
have attached a photo and would greatly appreciate an identification of this problem so I can correctly treat it...
<parasitic/protozoan in nature... could be Oodinium or Brooklynella easily. Please do browse our FAQs and articles on the treatment of this disease. The crash course, however, is daily freshwater dips, formalin (necessary if
Brooklynella) in long baths in QT and a minimum of 2 week isolation (4 weeks best). Medicated food and low salinity (1.017 gradually) may also be helpful in QT>
Thanks again for all the great educational information...Jarrett W. Cravey
<best regards, Anthony>